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minds how are you alejandro good am i

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can we have a digital hug here yeah here

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what was essentially their idea of the

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best UFO video from 2013 it shows a

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bright light and a smaller light

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dropping out of it that's blinking

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though I kind of moves up and then moves

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this orb coming out of it they said they

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exactly the same thing seeing this

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bright red light where with this other

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this and she called her kids to come out

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Boise Idaho and that is I always get a

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thrill out of seeing those UFOs when the

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thing drops out of them or more than one

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some type of sense well that a drone

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drone dropping out of it so it's really

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weird definitely a weird case and these

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days video isn't enough you need that

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good witness testimony and especially to

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have multiple witnesses is a great thing

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so really interesting case right and so

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what else is going on a couple other

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background oh yeah and that's created a

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lot of buzz however unfortunately it

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that well you just replaced the video in

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it looks really good it was a really

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flying around it has a 4k camera on it

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really kind of interesting video it's a

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kind of a shocking video it is now

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has anyone explored I don't know don't

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yell at me when I say this but has

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anyone thought about an insect I saw I

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did watch the video of course people

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descending no but yeah there's a lot of

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CGI because he thinks that he sees it

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disappear here and there however others

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definitely not a bug but I think as bug

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this so it could be a bug and I'm kind

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fast in our story Jason who wrote it

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how you doing Tom Reed very good I

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appreciate you having me on

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pleasure to meet you out in Phoenix

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unfortunately you didn't get to record

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for a live show but here you are that

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gone so well I'll tell you no one had

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any idea that you had two hours sleep

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watched most of it oh yeah I mean it was

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a pretty big crowd yeah it was packed

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communicating back and forth before the

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your story was inducted into the great

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barrington Historical Society and so how

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do you feel about that that's pretty

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amazing yeah they actually had been

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talking about it for quite some time

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being that our case was given a I'll

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September of 1969 in great barrington it

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think that gave testimony from South

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Egremont something that jug and absorb

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they were a flock in Sheffield but that

271
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saw the craft and our local bistro

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village on the green which by the way is

273
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still there today it became like a

274
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gathering spot for people to talk about

275
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it because it was laid the only

276
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restaurant you know big restaurant in

277
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Sheffield

278
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so a lot of people our town constables

279
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you know people cross through the gas

280
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stations would come in everyone even

281
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talked about it so it was never

282
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something that was like whispered I mean

283
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it wasn't very well known back then and

284
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then it went out on W SBS radio whose

285
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letter has been hanging in Roswell for

286
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quite some time and that's still under

287
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the same call letters

288
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as well and and South baking our country

289
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club is still South Egremont Country

290
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Club

291
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so our house is still there and at one

292
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point the town had a time capsule they

293
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buried all the people's names in town so

294
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they took you know everybody's that live

295
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their age and everything and they put

296
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together this time capsule and they

297
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buried it so you have W SBS radio was

298
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still there under the same call letters

299
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who happened you were down staircase or

300
00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:41,900
announce the craft I should say back in

301
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September of 1969 it was given Hynek

302
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classification back then doing he as a

303
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project Bluebook

304
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that doesn't mean it is Project Blue

305
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Book but it was given a Heine

306
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classification during those last three

307
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months and then a restaurant is still

308
00:13:58,480 --> 00:13:55,460
there our house is still there so I

309
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think when all the witnesses and the

310
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polygraph tasks and the people talking

311
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about it still today I saw something

312
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that they were contemplating for quite

313
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some time and and last I knew it really

314
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wasn't supposed to happen until Labor

315
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Day the weekend this September which

316
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would be the anniversary of it but some

317
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kids and I guess at the Simon's Rock

318
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early college and I guess it was the the

319
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annual Art Center summer can Daniel Art

320
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:31,400
Center was actually listed in it so the

321
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tally we got behind it and and so there

322
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was a vote

323
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you know September inducted and and went

324
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3-1 February 6 and I couldn't be happier

325
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I mean to me it's a it says a lot for a

326
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lot of reasons and in one of those

327
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reasons a lot of people don't know this

328
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either is that I was nearly killed in

329
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December of 2005 and my father actually

330
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came out to Florida to be by my side and

331
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took some time off he was a principal at

332
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the time he had gotten out of politics

333
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and stepped down as an attorney and we

334
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had always talked about doing this book

335
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and in writing about things that he had

336
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gotten back from one of black men and

337
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friends and that sort of thing that that

338
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were filtered to him after those United

339
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Nations think back in 1992 yet documents

340
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back then papers who knows what he had I

341
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,350
mean but he had an awful lot had a lot

342
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from sign and you know Blue Book and all

343
00:15:39,889 --> 00:15:37,110
the other ones and and letters from the

344
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Greece ministry defense the Pentagon you

345
00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:42,240
know a lot of stuff back probably you

346
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don't see a lot whether it was really

347
00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:47,550
powerful documentation I couldn't tell

348
00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:50,580
you but I have a lot of it but I don't

349
00:15:56,690 --> 00:15:52,649
know what I'm working to be honest with

350
00:15:58,490 --> 00:15:56,700
ya so anyway so when he came down to see

351
00:16:02,900 --> 00:15:58,500
me he brought some of the stuff with him

352
00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:02,910
and had entertained the thought of when

353
00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:04,110
you get back on your feet and you need

354
00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:05,430
to do this book because I think at one

355
00:16:09,230 --> 00:16:07,500
point when he said when the time is

356
00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:09,240
right Tom you know we'll put this book

357
00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:11,430
together and now that I almost died

358
00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,370
maybe he thought well this would be your

359
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,600
conversation or they really meant it or

360
00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:18,240
what have you so after I got back on my

361
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,180
feet I really pushed him to write this

362
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:23,040
book with me you know hey you came down

363
00:16:28,190 --> 00:16:25,800
let's do it I'm running around on

364
00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:28,200
crutches you know I've got plenty of

365
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:30,450
time what do you say start it that kind

366
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:36,959
of thing and and so it was October and

367
00:16:42,199 --> 00:16:40,010
he what the school his head hit the desk

368
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:42,209
he was rushed to Yale you Native in

369
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:46,950
hospital and he had a nasty fungus going

370
00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:50,250
he was blood the mayor of Bridgeport

371
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:52,860
called in the CDC they came in from

372
00:17:00,980 --> 00:16:57,839
Atlanta shut down and my father died

373
00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:00,990
that day oh my god he died on the same

374
00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:05,579
day that our case got mentioned within

375
00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:07,140
the front runner just got some slight

376
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:09,569
mention at the United Nations through

377
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our weekend and he mentioned a case at

378
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:20,189
the UN in support of 33 for 26 14 years

379
00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:23,010
later after talk of the book my father

380
00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:27,650
dies on that same day well and so that

381
00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:32,790
to me is why and why my mother

382
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:35,910
and we all have decided to to step out

383
00:17:42,110 --> 00:17:37,650
and talk about this more because until

384
00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:42,120
then just just got a bullet got lost in

385
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:44,940
the shuffle but now that we have a real

386
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:48,690
heartfelt purpose for it and would this

387
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:52,410
induction into the Historical Society as

388
00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:55,290
far as I'm concerned you know this place

389
00:18:03,260 --> 00:17:57,660
tribute to my late father I mean this is

390
00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:03,270
for him and and so for that I'm honored

391
00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:06,390
and I'm very grateful because I think

392
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,070
that we were able to show that this

393
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:12,000
powerful individual who had a

394
00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:13,890
proclamation in his honor a bench of a

395
00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:17,270
city green that was a respected attorney

396
00:18:22,670 --> 00:18:20,040
talk about the topic you know some

397
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:22,680
people would take that that having the

398
00:18:33,140 --> 00:18:29,760
case now inducted I think what he was

399
00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:33,150
trying to do Wow

400
00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:36,150
I do want to talk about about that about

401
00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:37,500
your father and about the rest of your

402
00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:40,860
family in this case your brother and all

403
00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:43,710
but we have a message board and there is

404
00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:46,230
a there is a question posted up there

405
00:18:51,530 --> 00:18:49,710
sure and at the UFO Congress this was

406
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:51,540
someone that was there I actually met

407
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:53,970
he's a listener to the show you

408
00:18:59,840 --> 00:18:56,640
mentioned that nine of your family

409
00:19:02,210 --> 00:18:59,850
members are Rh negative in your own

410
00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:02,220
words for those not familiar with Rh

411
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:05,640
negative and the UFO abductions what is

412
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:10,640
the significance of this well I can't

413
00:19:19,310 --> 00:19:14,970
question um in my opinion I believe that

414
00:19:23,540 --> 00:19:19,320
man was originally Rh negative I say

415
00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:23,550
that because anybody Rh positive has a

416
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:27,390
link to the monkey there's a connection

417
00:19:41,530 --> 00:19:37,320
too there is no link to anything else

418
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:41,540
there is no beginning to anything and

419
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:45,200
it's cleaner cell the Queen

420
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:46,730
negative is much cleaner than large

421
00:19:50,289 --> 00:19:49,130
positive because it lacks certain copper

422
00:19:56,019 --> 00:19:50,299
isn't sugar wasn't that sort of thing

423
00:19:59,610 --> 00:19:56,029
now secondly time life did a test on

424
00:20:05,470 --> 00:19:59,620
those who were Rh negative and found

425
00:20:08,620 --> 00:20:05,480
that the common denominator was when

426
00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:08,630
testing for remote viewing the Rh

427
00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:09,350
negative

428
00:20:16,269 --> 00:20:15,529
to test higher than those red Rh

429
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:16,279
positive

430
00:20:23,289 --> 00:20:20,320
really now there's more to it o negative

431
00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:23,299
blood types which is Rh negative O

432
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:27,049
Negative was the only blood type

433
00:20:32,169 --> 00:20:31,490
that was really tracked by the US

434
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:32,179
government

435
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:35,690
back in the 60s because it was the

436
00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:41,940
anybody can receive O negative blood

437
00:20:49,659 --> 00:20:46,460
anybody but someone with Rh negative or

438
00:20:53,379 --> 00:20:49,669
own negative blood can only receive O

439
00:20:56,049 --> 00:20:53,389
negative blood because it's it's in some

440
00:20:59,259 --> 00:20:56,059
respects I'm not sure that the word pure

441
00:21:02,620 --> 00:20:59,269
is really the word for it but there was

442
00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:02,630
absolutely nothing on it on the on the

443
00:21:08,919 --> 00:21:04,760
cell itself that your body will be Jack

444
00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:08,929
now you're Rh negative and you are

445
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:13,220
having an Rh positive child and Rh

446
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:16,970
negative mother well actually her body

447
00:21:21,549 --> 00:21:19,250
will go in to a state where it will

448
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:21,559
attempt to abort that baby because it

449
00:21:28,389 --> 00:21:25,490
sees it as a foreign object right so

450
00:21:29,620 --> 00:21:28,399
when we look at that it's almost I don't

451
00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:29,630
want to go too far I know I don't know

452
00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:31,340
limb here but it's almost like we're a

453
00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:34,340
different type of human being when your

454
00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:36,889
body wants to reject another human that

455
00:21:42,399 --> 00:21:39,769
should be human but the other thing too

456
00:21:46,029 --> 00:21:42,409
you know Rh negative my body temperature

457
00:21:50,139 --> 00:21:46,039
doesn't run in 98.7 my body temperature

458
00:21:54,369 --> 00:21:50,149
runs at 97.1 98.7 I've got a point to

459
00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:54,379
half temperature so I'm I'm running a

460
00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:56,140
different temperature

461
00:22:04,380 --> 00:21:58,870
Oh negative have tested to be more

462
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:04,390
intuitive or with regard to testing my

463
00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:08,230
what pressure runs lower temperature

464
00:22:15,509 --> 00:22:13,960
runs lower yeah you have a child if it's

465
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:15,519
already positive it's a it's looked at

466
00:22:22,139 --> 00:22:18,640
as a foreign substance so maybe there's

467
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,149
more here but I believe that that uh

468
00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:24,159
negative or arch negative blood groups

469
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,500
were the original blood of man I believe

470
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:28,240
that I can be wrong but that's what I

471
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:28,809
believe

472
00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:30,760
have you ever looked into any of the

473
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:34,870
scientific facts about that hadn't spent

474
00:22:38,639 --> 00:22:36,250
a lot of time with it I'm pretty

475
00:22:41,629 --> 00:22:38,649
occupied with other things but I'm

476
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:41,639
starting to look into it more and more

477
00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:44,590
we have another question up there and

478
00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:49,630
that is your brother Matt had physical

479
00:22:55,769 --> 00:22:53,830
trace marks on his chest mm-hmm did you

480
00:22:59,850 --> 00:22:55,779
have any physical trace marks on

481
00:23:02,269 --> 00:22:59,860
yourself I just had the scoop mark thing

482
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:02,279
on my right arm that so many people have

483
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:04,450
alluded to the fact that that's a

484
00:23:10,169 --> 00:23:07,450
typical scoop markets it's pretty big

485
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:10,179
it's larger than a pencil eraser of a

486
00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:12,730
pencil eraser it's it's quite deep and

487
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:14,950
I've had it since I was about six or

488
00:23:21,870 --> 00:23:18,159
seven years old and it's almost

489
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:21,880
perfectly round and never tans I have

490
00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:24,610
never seen a scar I just remember having

491
00:23:28,379 --> 00:23:27,100
it since I was a child yeah it seems

492
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:28,389
like the scoop mark I remember you

493
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:32,080
talking about that let's see did Matt

494
00:23:38,639 --> 00:23:35,860
shave his chest for the photo or did the

495
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:38,649
aliens and that is a goofy question says

496
00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:51,279
he like owns like little you know they

497
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:54,309
were flanged out atop my top and and

498
00:24:01,019 --> 00:23:58,720
kind of they were actually fairly big

499
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:01,029
when you really think about it so what

500
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,169
they were they weren't just like a

501
00:24:06,899 --> 00:24:04,240
needle puncture I mean I think there was

502
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:06,909
three centimeters if I'm not mistaken

503
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:08,920
I've got the back of your board here

504
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:12,130
somewhere but they were fairly large and

505
00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:14,130
they look like miniature sugar cones

506
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:17,140
with a little bit of flange on the

507
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,930
outside and it was very strange so there

508
00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:22,960
was talk from the doctor that if you

509
00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:25,270
were trying to reach the thymus gland

510
00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:27,190
that would have been the spot where you

511
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:29,500
would have been certain a needle and it

512
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:30,970
was why would you want to go to the

513
00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:34,570
thymus gland well there is a sac off to

514
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:36,340
the side of it which is where your body

515
00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:38,230
produces the t-cells for your immune

516
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:38,860
system

517
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:41,710
now most people or doctors will attest

518
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:44,700
and make you aware that by the

519
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:47,160
communists of those cells are dried up

520
00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:51,070
those t-cells but if you wanted to

521
00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:55,030
extract something about that that you

522
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:56,950
know and something that would build your

523
00:25:00,540 --> 00:24:58,930
immune system you could still get

524
00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:00,550
whatever you wanted from that sac well

525
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:01,960
there at the T cells will still be a

526
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:07,360
manufacturer not it's still there a

527
00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:11,710
topic for a while but you know who knows

528
00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:15,150
but it wasn't a peculiar spot in the

529
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:18,940
director location would have been that

530
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:22,090
sac that produces the t-cells you know I

531
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,370
think of being a little bit rude to the

532
00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:26,320
listener that may not know about your

533
00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:28,780
case so if you would kind of in a

534
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:31,900
nutshell can we talk about the your

535
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:33,640
early childhood how this whole thing

536
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:36,210
started and where it progressed and

537
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:41,850
progressing in Sheffield Massachusetts

538
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:47,860
which it was out in the tri-state area

539
00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:51,010
an edge kind of nestled if you will

540
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:53,140
between New York Connecticut and then

541
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:00,600
the camp our canvas the berkshire area

542
00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:04,330
yeah would you know that kind of thing

543
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:08,440
and like I said we had a large spread of

544
00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:11,170
land in our house was pretty much on the

545
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:13,630
top part of it now a lot of people don't

546
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,430
realize this and I mentioned it after

547
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:17,740
Congress that Sheffield is one of the

548
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:20,590
highest locations for 1700 mile stretch

549
00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:21,430
of road

550
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:23,680
it's almost 2,000 feet high back it's

551
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:26,260
3,000 feet high and our house basically

552
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:27,910
sat if you look at the pictures pretty

553
00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:31,140
much up on top of that and so it's been

554
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,220
speculated that because we had the

555
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:35,580
highest or one of the highest elevations

556
00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:41,050
that could have been some testing and

557
00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:42,280
that sort of thing up there when we look

558
00:26:57,810 --> 00:26:45,340
at you know Pratt Whitney was only 55

559
00:27:00,060 --> 00:26:57,820
miles away command aerospace by Road and

560
00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:00,070
so you had a lot of military around this

561
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:02,020
mountain that's not even talking about

562
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:04,810
Albany and everything just Massachusetts

563
00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:06,940
and Connecticut and so we here we are

564
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:09,220
with the highest elevation with a house

565
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:11,710
on top of it on top of that hill if you

566
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:16,170
went down in the valleys and so you know

567
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:20,470
maybe that is part of maybe that played

568
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:22,990
a role in what happened with us hard to

569
00:27:32,910 --> 00:27:28,330
say but but we had seen a craft in 1966

570
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:32,920
and the back side of the property not

571
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:34,660
too far from the house maybe 400 yards

572
00:27:43,290 --> 00:27:38,110
from the house and more than that just

573
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:43,300
pass our tree line and 67 we saw it a

574
00:27:57,420 --> 00:27:48,220
second time the alien mysteries did a

575
00:27:59,010 --> 00:27:57,430
pretty good job on that one remember I

576
00:28:00,300 --> 00:27:59,020
remember staring at my brother and I

577
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:00,310
remember my mother coming out and

578
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:04,540
grabbing him but as far as my my my

579
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:06,520
demeanor I guess if you were looking in

580
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:08,530
from the outside I looked to be just

581
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:11,130
Placid and out of it and they

582
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:13,750
unresponsive yet I remember things

583
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:15,730
pretty clearly just as my brother did he

584
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:17,740
wasn't really responding but we for some

585
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:20,410
reason seemed to be in this state where

586
00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:27,760
we were our bodies seemed to be or just

587
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:30,550
like a dead you know look to ourselves

588
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:33,640
and not really moving yet our insights

589
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:34,660
our brain and our

590
00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:37,120
eyes and thoughts were moving you know

591
00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:39,790
we were thinking we were able to respond

592
00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:42,760
in a way but our bodies wouldn't you

593
00:28:49,050 --> 00:28:46,600
know was almost like we can bind to a

594
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:49,060
shell or a mannequin but we were alive

595
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:51,430
in it was a little good and so my mother

596
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:53,710
grabbed mice like my younger brother

597
00:29:00,120 --> 00:28:58,090
Matthew grabbed me and so she grabbed

598
00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:00,130
her son brother like ran us under the

599
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:03,420
house satis up to dining room table and

600
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:06,820
give us aspirin and orange juice and in

601
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:09,250
the living room next to a fireplace we

602
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:11,800
stepped on the sofas mother stayed with

603
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:16,110
us at night and that night was you know

604
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:20,220
you know seeing this crack more like a

605
00:29:26,490 --> 00:29:23,500
tarnished or dirty turtle shell and it

606
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:26,500
was laying on the ground I didn't see

607
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:35,230
any windows 15 18 feet high and it was

608
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:37,810
probably 40 to 60 feet around and it had

609
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:40,360
a lip around it almost like a tire lip

610
00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:42,250
not made of rubber but I mean it had a

611
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:48,340
lip around it that reference as well you

612
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:51,700
know almost like a p.m. had a ten-speed

613
00:29:55,650 --> 00:29:53,110
bike you know you had to spin rubber

614
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:55,660
lips for the tires almost something like

615
00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,510
that a big lip like that that wrapped

616
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:01,180
around the front of it in the back and I

617
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:04,180
circled it and it wasn't at the bottom

618
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:05,860
part the bottom part kind of taped it

619
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:08,530
back in but there was a big round lip

620
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:11,050
that went around it and it almost looked

621
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,000
like it had sections to little lines in

622
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:15,520
it I'm not going to say was panels but

623
00:30:24,450 --> 00:30:20,410
there was some lines through it and it

624
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:24,460
wasn't so it was more like a bronze with

625
00:30:42,750 --> 00:30:39,790
her silvery or yeah like a like a burned

626
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:42,760
pewter or like a like a bronzing pewter

627
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:44,680
that blended into it wasn't an even

628
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:47,290
color and I asked myself was it the

629
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,160
light you know what

630
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,080
the sunlight wasn't making it collecting

631
00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:52,480
differently but it did not did not

632
00:30:57,060 --> 00:30:54,280
designate the same color and seemed to

633
00:30:58,860 --> 00:30:57,070
have different tints in it I guess if

634
00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:58,870
you took a blowtorch to it you know

635
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:00,460
sometimes you got that orangey bronze

636
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,260
look and then you it's a little lightest

637
00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:03,760
that's the way it looked it looked very

638
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:06,870
weathered to me and it was big and

639
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:10,470
remember the inside of it I remember a

640
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:13,300
inside that was probably about the size

641
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:16,210
of a master bedroom a hall like a square

642
00:31:22,740 --> 00:31:20,260
squaring off area I was escorted out

643
00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:22,750
this room I was taking down right out

644
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,940
the front I took a right down his

645
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:26,320
hallway that wrapped around like a

646
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:28,660
question mark I had passed my brother

647
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:30,850
who was standing there very Placid again

648
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:32,800
yeah clearly

649
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:35,470
but to me he was almost asleep standing

650
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:40,690
up and I was taking around him every

651
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:43,180
time we had somebody next to us or that

652
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:44,650
was with us during this time they were

653
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:47,020
always on our left side even it was

654
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:48,700
almost like we got escorted and there

655
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:50,890
were zones so I was taking up this

656
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:52,840
winding area that wrapped to the right

657
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:55,270
we came back around and when I got to

658
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:57,520
the front of it this individual that was

659
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:00,840
with me left and this new person

660
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:03,070
interviewer have you was now responsible

661
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:05,710
for me that's the way it appeared and

662
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:08,740
then I was taken into this darker room Y

663
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:13,570
saw what was very dark and a screen that

664
00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:15,670
had come up that when trapped from 3

665
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:18,040
o'clock to 9 o'clock and this was just a

666
00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:20,110
beautiful shot of a lake and a little

667
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:24,420
tree and it was moving and it was

668
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:26,950
beautiful and chanting and it was just

669
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:30,930
totally took my mind off my brother and

670
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:33,550
then it just I'll never forget it I mean

671
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:47,340
hello yeah I thought you were recording

672
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:48,730
I wasn't gonna say anything that's okay

673
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,280
I am recording and Tommy there yeah what

674
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:57,250
happened we're back we're actually we're

675
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:00,640
actually gonna go live so just hoping

676
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:02,590
just hold that thought and I'm recording

677
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,260
all this so the podcast is going to hear

678
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:06,880
all this what we're going through so

679
00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:08,650
Keith anytime you want to fire us into

680
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:12,520
the live we're ready to go should I keep

681
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:15,900
talking yeah sure is that okay Keith

682
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:19,530
yeah hold on here powers back

683
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:23,920
yeah so if you want to just hold that

684
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:27,940
thought for a minute we'll just once we

685
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:29,410
know power is on I'm just gonna say

686
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:30,700
something to the live listening real

687
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:37,410
quickly okay okay you can go anytime

688
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:41,830
alright let's go now alright so if

689
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:44,200
you're listening live were just right

690
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:47,650
back or where the power was out at the

691
00:33:53,250 --> 00:33:50,950
Dark Matter radio network so the powers

692
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:53,260
back on and we were right in the middle

693
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:55,060
of a conversation Tom do you remember

694
00:34:01,980 --> 00:33:59,710
where you left off yeah I think so

695
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:01,990
I'm a little bit just the case because

696
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:04,600
went down to a few minutes anyway I was

697
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:06,280
talking about inside that what this

698
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:07,780
craft wasn't it was near our property

699
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:11,320
that was in 1967 and it's one of the

700
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:14,800
wall it's the second to the the second

701
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:16,930
of three that were seen in our property

702
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,740
that made so much local noise and and

703
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:23,200
like I said I remember this highway that

704
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:24,820
wrapped almost like a question mark and

705
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:28,810
I and I really did it kind of where I

706
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:30,430
guess the circle would be at the bottom

707
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:31,990
of the question mark was really a square

708
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:34,930
room more squared-off room and not

709
00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:38,320
perfectly square but softly rounded

710
00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:40,840
square Illya and I was taken out that

711
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:42,190
into the would be the bottom of the

712
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:44,290
question mark and we're wrapped to the

713
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:47,320
right and wrapped around you know to me

714
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:49,690
and when I you know it really did

715
00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:52,210
resemble a question mark and I passed my

716
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,420
brother and got to the front of this

717
00:35:00,020 --> 00:34:56,560
area and I was

718
00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:00,030
released for lack of a better word and

719
00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:08,440
someone else that was it had a couple of

720
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:39,340
tables in it and this would be like that

721
00:36:18,320 --> 00:35:44,170
it was absolutely amazing and I was just

722
00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:22,920
and then colectomy looked like it had um

723
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:31,990
let's say almost like a second tier look

724
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:33,910
like glass of some sweat off to the left

725
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:36,190
and almost like brick glass you know

726
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:40,750
those square glass pieces and then I was

727
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:45,130
I was brought back to the driveway where

728
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:47,800
my mother um came running out of the

729
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:49,300
house and scoop this up and brought us

730
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:51,850
in for the house and um cared for those

731
00:36:59,730 --> 00:36:55,840
with blankets and everything I know it

732
00:37:05,490 --> 00:36:59,740
was their missing time according to what

733
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:05,500
you thought or and another thing how old

734
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:09,760
were you when this happened so

735
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:12,520
did you make it I mean how could you

736
00:37:16,290 --> 00:37:14,230
possibly wrap your brain about what you

737
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:16,300
just wrap your brain around what you

738
00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:37,790
so you're seven years old you have this

739
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:41,350
beyond amazing thing happened so your

740
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:42,610
mother scooped you up in the driveway

741
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:45,010
did she call the police or what happened

742
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:47,830
at that point well when we were gone she

743
00:38:05,100 --> 00:37:55,890
my grandmother came out onto the screen

744
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:05,110
porch and like I said good 80 acres just

745
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:06,760
to give you an idea in our closest

746
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:25,320
like you know she had known something

747
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:27,130
was going on it doesn't have a novice to

748
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:39,090
staring at my brother nice staring at

749
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:46,840
each other and my grandmother was on a

750
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,940
screen porch and then all the sudden she

751
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:52,000
yells my mother here is hurt and then

752
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:54,040
runs down on the horse and jumps off and

753
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:55,570
scoops up my little brother and scoops

754
00:39:04,490 --> 00:38:58,210
up me rushes us in the house you know

755
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:04,500
like I said put the baby aspirin juice

756
00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:08,020
and we sleep in the living room anybody

757
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:20,500
I don't think she'd called my mother to

758
00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:23,140
the village on the green restaurant and

759
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,140
I would open it with her and you know

760
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:34,480
the restaurant was walking distance from

761
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:36,280
the school so if your parents were

762
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:38,470
driving to work they'd drop the kids off

763
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:40,300
at the restaurant my mother would make

764
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,730
him breakfast you know at the end of the

765
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:44,560
week got squirted a bowl away you know

766
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:45,970
the kids would run across the street to

767
00:39:51,090 --> 00:39:49,360
the school and I when I go across the

768
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:51,100
street to the school I mean it was like

769
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:54,340
walking basically just across a

770
00:40:02,430 --> 00:39:55,630
four-lane road and you were at the

771
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:02,440
school it became the hub and a lot of

772
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:04,900
people were talking the whole town had

773
00:41:13,500 --> 00:40:11,350
seen anything so you know hey what's

774
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:13,510
going on you know and because of the

775
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:15,490
high net classification and WSB radio

776
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:18,070
being there and our restaurants door

777
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:19,990
being there and start the society

778
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:21,430
getting a lot of calls about this

779
00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:26,710
because they talk about today how it got

780
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:29,860
inducted into society but as far as what

781
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:31,600
we saw that night I wasn't even butter

782
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:33,070
nut base and ski resort

783
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:37,270
I was riding at a 4h show and my shadow

784
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:40,350
had come loose and so we left early and

785
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,180
gonna do so well I got a brown ribbon

786
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:47,280
and he took me to the metals restaurant

787
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:54,700
and then after that we had to make the

788
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:56,140
make deposit rock because a cook had

789
00:41:59,070 --> 00:41:57,400
been locking up because it was Labor Day

790
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,080
weekend my grandmother who nobody

791
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:00,880
normally would have run it wasn't well

792
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:02,770
that's where I was in competition does

793
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:04,210
she want to make the night deposit drop

794
00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:05,890
make sure the chairs were a lot places

795
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:08,470
locked up I went to the bank make the

796
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:10,180
deposit and now we're heading back

797
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:13,240
towards Great Barrington and a shortcut

798
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:15,670
to the home would have been over the

799
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:17,950
Sheffield Bridge and so that's what she

800
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:19,810
did my mother took a shortcut over

801
00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:21,610
Sheffield Bridge which is basically very

802
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:25,240
swampy you know willow tree type of

803
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:28,600
scenario you know they marshy and a lot

804
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:33,010
of open land and my grandmother turned

805
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:34,240
around as I was sitting in the backseat

806
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:36,310
I was going to give my brother a

807
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:39,610
fireball and and she had turned

808
00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:41,740
basically to tell me we could choke on

809
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:47,080
it he was kagome long I didn't think it

810
00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:49,270
was a good idea and sure enough you see

811
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:51,160
the lights out the back side of the car

812
00:43:00,210 --> 00:42:54,520
on the left side kind of all well I was

813
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:00,220
sitting in the backseat and and then my

814
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:06,730
mother says that the doesn't know if she

815
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:09,640
panicked and flooded in or well I don't

816
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:11,890
know she knows that it came off to the

817
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:14,550
right here two stones tapping underneath

818
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:17,710
the gas tank and the thunder rolls and

819
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:21,010
and it was like driving over you know

820
00:43:26,370 --> 00:43:23,530
eggshells it was that kind of a cloud

821
00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:26,380
that kind of a dead and it just went

822
00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:31,870
completely silent it was like it's

823
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:34,600
almost like was surreal then we had this

824
00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:37,180
tingling feeling and which later on

825
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:40,840
we've associated with e.l.f but it was

826
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:43,750
just a very strange feeling your body

827
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:45,370
picked up on it was not something that

828
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,170
you were

829
00:43:52,579 --> 00:43:49,140
- and then bang there was a rupture -

830
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,589
crickets and canyons and and then we can

831
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:54,119
just changed it was like being in the

832
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,099
middle of a hurricane you could feel a

833
00:44:02,120 --> 00:43:58,859
barometric change in pressure we're no

834
00:44:05,769 --> 00:44:02,130
longer in a car and we were separated

835
00:44:09,019 --> 00:44:05,779
and wherever this was I was in look like

836
00:44:10,789 --> 00:44:09,029
like almost like a airplane hangar no

837
00:44:13,759 --> 00:44:10,799
way I can describe it it was that kind

838
00:44:17,049 --> 00:44:13,769
of big and open and and there were cards

839
00:44:23,269 --> 00:44:17,059
next to me there were two silver courts

840
00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:23,279
ideals are not to cry looking cards that

841
00:44:46,279 --> 00:44:26,369
were maybe four feet high and the side

842
00:44:48,529 --> 00:44:46,289
was empty and for the first time I was

843
00:44:50,289 --> 00:44:48,539
actually very scared I was very nervous

844
00:44:59,359 --> 00:44:50,299
this wasn't something there when I was

845
00:45:36,529 --> 00:44:59,369
engulfed or engaged and happening I

846
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:36,539
didn't know I was on my left arm twenty

847
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,630
feet and then I took a left and another

848
00:45:43,549 --> 00:45:41,400
twenty feet and I was taken into a room

849
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:43,559
to the right now this one that I was

850
00:45:49,549 --> 00:45:46,980
taking into was very odd by very weird

851
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:49,559
shaped very strangely it had an inner

852
00:45:55,249 --> 00:45:52,109
the center of it bowed in like it would

853
00:45:57,499 --> 00:45:55,259
if you had a coffee can and there was a

854
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:57,509
pocket the left between or this bowed

855
00:46:01,890 --> 00:45:59,290
out area would come back to the

856
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:01,900
into the normal wall there was a pocket

857
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:04,810
there maybe like an 8 or 10 foot stand

858
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:10,150
in between were that rounded area and it

859
00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:14,369
was the same on the other side there was

860
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:19,030
and there was a cable towards pretty

861
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:22,630
much underneath it and it wasn't much in

862
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:28,510
there then I remember I sat there for a

863
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:29,770
bit

864
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:32,080
very aware of what was happening they

865
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:34,570
shot at this point I know this very

866
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:38,250
scared and there was what looked like I

867
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,390
can't describe it and it had kind moved

868
00:46:49,710 --> 00:46:47,920
I've got my attention I was very

869
00:46:52,290 --> 00:46:49,720
frightened by that and I took off back

870
00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:52,300
to the right side of the road in Camden

871
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:54,460
area on the opposite side of where they

872
00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:57,730
were I had run into a highway now this

873
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:00,760
hallway was absolutely massive when I

874
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:05,230
say big it was the centre what I came in

875
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:08,200
was like a big circle which is why the

876
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:11,290
room that I ran out of had an inward

877
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:20,140
belt and so I would assume that rounded

878
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:24,030
area would have a boat in area in it now

879
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:28,210
they were was like set up like a why off

880
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:31,330
to the right there was right - to my

881
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:33,220
right shoulder at this point out in this

882
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:37,030
hallway you're looking at a a tube that

883
00:47:41,820 --> 00:47:39,550
way of some maybe distance of four cars

884
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:41,830
car lengths of four-lane highway and

885
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:44,920
then just opposite that and upon the

886
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:46,630
other part of the top of the Y if you

887
00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:50,369
will was set up very much the same now

888
00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:54,340
the bottom y part was probably twice

889
00:47:59,550 --> 00:47:58,119
that so to me it looked like traffic

890
00:48:02,250 --> 00:47:59,560
coming in from the top of these Y's

891
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:02,260
which filter down onto the larger tube

892
00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:06,340
and the rounded out area was meant to

893
00:48:10,329 --> 00:48:09,160
accommodate traffic that's what I get

894
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:10,339
from that

895
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:14,130
so whatever whatever this was going who

896
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:15,990
knows about was I could spot her a bad

897
00:48:23,059 --> 00:48:20,220
spot but that's the way it looked at me

898
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,069
and I groove it for several seconds then

899
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:25,980
I was taken I was brought back in I sat

900
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,880
on this table and this apparatus came

901
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,200
over me that looked like the top of

902
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,660
maybe a tanning bed or MRI machine as I

903
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:35,040
was on the side of it it was made by two

904
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:36,540
different parts I look like the two

905
00:48:42,799 --> 00:48:40,710
parts separated and it would I laid down

906
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:42,809
it covered me to some degree I could

907
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:44,670
still see under that was not tight on me

908
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:50,430
and all the holes all the way through

909
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:51,930
this apparatus and it stopped just

910
00:48:59,900 --> 00:48:56,940
before my chin and they look like raisin

911
00:49:02,900 --> 00:48:59,910
packets large Latham package with a move

912
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:02,910
on it and these were actually placed on

913
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:08,940
my body on my leg my stomach and my face

914
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:11,970
today were you fully clothed at the time

915
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:21,930
or or not that's okay yeah well I I do

916
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:24,569
have some questions here for you so it

917
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:28,859
sounds to me this experience you had a

918
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,770
Total Recall like a lot of times you

919
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:34,260
hear about you know regression and you

920
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,079
know hypnotherapy to get to get the

921
00:49:55,780 --> 00:49:40,020
story did you have Total Recall of this

922
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:09,950
segments you know fragmented moments on

923
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:13,020
that crack that's what we were we talked

924
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:28,550
made to Menor kipper get it I think

925
00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:31,090
because we were so young and this has

926
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:33,220
been something that been told us by

927
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:38,140
others in the field young kid and there

928
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:21,930
exchange somebody up something that was

929
00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:27,490
extracted from you know that would have

930
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:29,590
happened first and then they were to put

931
00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:31,870
the packets on your body to absorb

932
00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:34,900
something and then at the end of the day

933
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:38,080
you know put you out one of the packet

934
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:39,430
to put you out one of the package of

935
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:49,230
testing or whatever it's completed and

936
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:52,750
you brought back into this standing and

937
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,530
then we're back in the car my mother was

938
00:52:02,100 --> 00:51:59,440
completely unconscious my brother's out

939
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:02,110
like a light my grandmother was the one

940
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:05,740
who first was was awake wide awake and I

941
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:07,750
found her walking in the middle of the

942
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:10,480
world now she had turned the car around

943
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:13,030
and shot right back into town worse

944
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:14,590
there was where they made the night drop

945
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:16,090
because one of the stores was open the

946
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,030
silks restaurant about convenience store

947
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:22,720
money stole candy and ice cream and then

948
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:24,670
so when she went back there to get them

949
00:52:27,810 --> 00:52:26,440
that's when he realized how much time

950
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:27,820
had passed they were getting really

951
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:32,140
close and so she speaks to to the owner

952
00:52:38,370 --> 00:52:34,300
of the restaurant upside the

953
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:38,380
in store and she gets wrapped up in

954
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:39,910
bikes and strollers and these other

955
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:41,530
things in the amateur she's trying to

956
00:52:46,290 --> 00:52:43,360
find her way out and she's not really

957
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:46,300
thinking clearly I walk in after her I'm

958
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:48,520
trying to you know on the Emma on the NI

959
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,330
you're trying to get her attention

960
00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:51,280
because everyone else in the car is out

961
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,460
and and she finally takes my hand like

962
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,160
walk out of the store then she starts

963
00:53:00,840 --> 00:52:58,480
breaking down a little bit start to

964
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:00,850
shake and cry a little bitter with a bad

965
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,760
day for her and she gets comes over to

966
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:06,400
the car my mother now is up and she gets

967
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:08,170
into the driver's seat my group my

968
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:09,610
grandmother gets back in a passenger

969
00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:11,230
seat for some reason they were reversed

970
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:12,580
my grandmother was in the driver's seat

971
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:14,680
my mom I've been driving earlier so they

972
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:20,740
were reversed and it was like it was

973
00:54:23,660 --> 00:53:39,540
because this was a big you know two

974
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:27,030
you know friends and had coffee it

975
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,890
Lakers house or the governor's mansion I

976
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:32,800
should say and then my father starts

977
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:35,470
running into Robert Bloch Minh who used

978
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,410
to work the jail and Hynek and after all

979
00:54:43,050 --> 00:54:40,480
the drinks we start talking I start

980
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:43,060
meeting him on Fridays at his office he

981
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:44,560
takes an interest in our case he finds

982
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:46,030
behind it classification that it was

983
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:47,620
given in 1969

984
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,390
he tells us he's got something big

985
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:51,520
coming up which happens to be the United

986
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:53,170
Nations suppose him you know in a couple

987
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,610
of years this apply 8990 yeah 18 months

988
00:55:01,290 --> 00:54:59,200
down the road you know I'd really like

989
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:01,300
to discuss your case and your father

990
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:03,370
still politics yes is you know I don't

991
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:06,010
think I appreciate that and so my father

992
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,350
and I did I give a check for $1,500 and

993
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:18,880
he mentioned our case at the United

994
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:21,430
Nations in support of 33 for 2,600 so

995
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:24,310
very carefully and it was really only

996
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:28,030
the only piece of dis that he really

997
00:55:33,150 --> 00:55:30,190
found of interest and because he was

998
00:55:35,850 --> 00:55:33,160
still talking about the cash Linderman

999
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:35,860
and the Hudson River Valley case that

1000
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:37,720
the feeling that we had about the

1001
00:55:41,580 --> 00:55:40,210
environment you know how it would just

1002
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:41,590
seem to change and how the barometric

1003
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,810
pressure simple change and how life

1004
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,520
would go kind of still and quiet and

1005
00:55:50,730 --> 00:55:47,680
become like a dead calm and then your

1006
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:50,740
body will pick up on this feelings or

1007
00:55:58,860 --> 00:55:55,830
energy and this later Ness and almost

1008
00:56:01,590 --> 00:55:58,870
you know a gravity you know very very

1009
00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:01,600
strange it was a vibe doesn't really do

1010
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:02,200
it justice

1011
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:04,090
if you took three moons like you got a

1012
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:10,500
full moon you have you know party later

1013
00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:14,920
okay if you have a full moon you know

1014
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:16,840
you have an energy about you it's not

1015
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:19,450
anxiety there's just something that I

1016
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:21,460
can welcome your body I mean of water so

1017
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:24,970
you almost feel different you know

1018
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:28,540
almost enlightened and that is kind of

1019
00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:30,370
like what it was there's no way you're

1020
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:33,340
going to see and and then bang it

1021
00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:35,230
changes and you're like Placid in the

1022
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:37,630
phone there's a reprobate that's what I

1023
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:41,890
would like we only have a couple minutes

1024
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:44,770
and what I'm gonna do if it's alright

1025
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:45,220
with you

1026
00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:48,700
tom is I'm not sure how this live stream

1027
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:51,100
is gonna work and so I'd like to hold

1028
00:56:55,650 --> 00:56:54,010
you on in case it doesn't work I know

1029
00:56:58,110 --> 00:56:55,660
it's kind of a second fiddle thing I

1030
00:57:02,250 --> 00:56:58,120
hope you don't take it that way but

1031
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,260
but anyway is that alright with you hang

1032
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:04,240
on yeah but we're not ready to go just

1033
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:07,180
yet because um if this is the end I want

1034
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:08,530
you to answer one of the chatroom

1035
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:11,230
questions and what did the beings look

1036
00:58:11,760 --> 00:57:44,050
like I glasses large I type of eye

1037
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:11,770
lenses no her and they had a witch it

1038
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:17,230
had a long greyish mushroom shaped or

1039
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:19,990
colored a skin tone to it from the neck

1040
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:21,640
down

1041
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:24,910
it had limbs that kind of stemmed the

1042
00:58:29,010 --> 00:58:26,980
arms if it was the arms and the legs

1043
00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:29,020
kind of stemmed from the same lower part

1044
00:58:34,110 --> 00:58:29,590
of the body

1045
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:34,120
they're very stick like and in my sketch

1046
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:36,310
the the lines in they're more like a

1047
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:37,810
gray but they were more like a wine

1048
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,420
color you want like a red wine color

1049
00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:43,380
wings on it and the head was more like a

1050
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,540
bronze gold and it seemed very smooth it

1051
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:48,880
didn't seem like the pop out of it they

1052
00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:51,490
almost look like it was a smooth sphere

1053
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:55,270
head but the size of a football and of

1054
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:57,550
course alien mysteries gave it you know

1055
00:59:01,700 --> 00:58:59,410
duct tape and everything but that didn't

1056
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:01,710
see me that it just looked like a

1057
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:13,910
that was smooth eyes were just like an

1058
00:59:16,579 --> 00:59:14,280
ant

1059
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:16,589
now you can pry or like like that of a

1060
00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:17,880
snake sighs you know how they're like

1061
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:19,230
open all the time but they just look

1062
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,170
like the ends right in like that and it

1063
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:24,780
was about four feet tall a little bit of

1064
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:28,770
a teardrop body and and it had like

1065
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,280
human hands so people said to me that

1066
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:35,220
sounds pretty pretty odd but then it was

1067
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:37,020
you know we're splicing monkeys with

1068
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:41,730
jellyfish now spiders that were the DNA

1069
00:59:47,289 --> 00:59:45,030
from that and into a cow to make batter

1070
00:59:49,819 --> 00:59:47,299
so if you take a powerful type of

1071
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:49,829
material now that the government using

1072
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:52,799
for bulletproof vests and you know we're

1073
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:55,140
playing with species here so it occurs

1074
00:59:59,480 --> 00:59:56,970
to me now I can talk about it better

1075
01:00:02,089 --> 00:59:59,490
because it doesn't sound so far-fetched

1076
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:02,099
anymore that you know that we saw look

1077
01:00:08,059 --> 01:00:05,970
like a big spider but then again if I

1078
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:08,069
said to you you know how big is the

1079
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:09,569
average bird you'd probably tell me a

1080
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,210
couple of feet wide but then again you

1081
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,880
go back to prehistoric days they had 38

1082
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:16,799
foot wingspan so just because

1083
01:00:20,299 --> 01:00:18,990
something's an inch tall here doesn't

1084
01:00:27,980 --> 01:00:20,309
mean it's an inch tall somewhere else

1085
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:27,990
and we have midgets that are so it's so

1086
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:34,290
basically look like in like someone took

1087
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:38,180
some human DNA and made an intelligent

1088
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:42,329
spider that could perform tasks that

1089
01:00:46,839 --> 01:00:45,059
would be almost impossible for a human

1090
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:46,849
to do because we're not very strong

1091
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:53,250
right now yeah yeah they can jump 20 hey

1092
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:55,890
we didn't get to talk about much and so

1093
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:57,210
if you want to hang on for just a minute

1094
01:01:01,220 --> 01:00:59,010
because I'd like to have you back but

1095
01:01:02,930 --> 01:01:01,230
let's just see if this other show is is

1096
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:02,940
working so just hang on just for a

1097
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:09,540
second absolutely and I'm not hearing a

1098
01:01:21,319 --> 01:01:19,639
my honor you're still one we're still

1099
01:01:26,659 --> 01:01:21,329
we're still alive

1100
01:01:35,929 --> 01:01:26,669
and so but I'm just not sure how his no

1101
01:01:41,509 --> 01:01:35,939
no I think that's it I don't know here

1102
01:01:43,249 --> 01:01:41,519
we go so hang on a sec so Tom I want to

1103
01:01:44,749 --> 01:01:43,259
thank you so much the other show is

1104
01:01:46,429 --> 01:01:44,759
going live and we're going to tap into

1105
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:46,439
that thanks so much we'll have you back

1106
01:01:51,979 --> 01:01:50,249
on thanks everybody all right you take

1107
01:02:17,149 --> 01:01:51,989
care and I'll be talking to you soon all

1108
01:02:19,249 --> 01:02:17,159
right good night okay so just let the

1109
01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:19,259
live listener no no we cannot I cannot

1110
01:02:23,479 --> 01:02:22,349
communicate with Randi he is he's on the

1111
01:02:25,219 --> 01:02:23,489
show alone so we're just gonna be

1112
01:02:27,499 --> 01:02:25,229
listening in and but you can go to that

1113
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:27,509
chat room that's on our website you can

1114
01:02:32,949 --> 01:02:29,729
see the link there and join in the chat

1115
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:32,959
to ask for Andy questions here he goes

1116
01:02:38,539 --> 01:02:35,579
with aerial phenomenon director Randall

1117
01:02:40,399 --> 01:02:38,549
Nexen before I hand it back over to

1118
01:02:43,129 --> 01:02:40,409
Randall I just want to go over if you

1119
01:02:45,139 --> 01:02:43,139
have keeping things real quick there is

1120
01:02:46,999 --> 01:02:45,149
no phone in function for this event

1121
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:47,009
you'll get to listen to Randall talk

1122
01:02:51,499 --> 01:02:49,079
about the history of the event and the

1123
01:02:53,449 --> 01:02:51,509
progress on the film we'll talk for

1124
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:53,459
about 15 minutes and then we'll take

1125
01:02:57,559 --> 01:02:55,380
some questions from the chat room so

1126
01:02:59,629 --> 01:02:57,569
there the media player I'll be in the

1127
01:03:02,419 --> 01:02:59,639
chat room interacting with you while

1128
01:03:05,209 --> 01:03:02,429
Randall is talking so feel free to start

1129
01:03:07,279 --> 01:03:05,219
typing in your questions now after he's

1130
01:03:09,229 --> 01:03:07,289
done talking we'll have about 10 or so

1131
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:09,239
minutes to answer some of your questions

1132
01:03:13,579 --> 01:03:11,849
and then we'll take just a few more

1133
01:03:15,379 --> 01:03:13,589
minutes talk a little more about the

1134
01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:15,389
film one more time before we wrap things

1135
01:03:20,509 --> 01:03:18,630
up I apologize now that we won't be able

1136
01:03:22,909 --> 01:03:20,519
to take everyone's question because it's

1137
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:22,919
fine we'll do what we can to answer as

1138
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,249
many as possible I'll be randomly

1139
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:27,839
selecting questions while Randall is

1140
01:03:31,329 --> 01:03:29,039
speaking so he can

1141
01:03:33,799 --> 01:03:31,339
are answering them as soon as he said

1142
01:03:35,959 --> 01:03:33,809
after tonight's event is finished the

1143
01:03:38,809 --> 01:03:35,969
recorded broadcast will be available

1144
01:03:41,539 --> 01:03:38,819
here on the film's website so anyone who

1145
01:03:43,099 --> 01:03:41,549
wasn't able to listen in life I'll post

1146
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:43,109
the link to this page on the domes

1147
01:03:49,819 --> 01:03:46,140
Facebook and Twitter pages the chat room

1148
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:49,829
will be closed after tonight if for any

1149
01:03:54,229 --> 01:03:52,169
reason I call just connect small doll

1150
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:54,239
back in as quick as we can if something

1151
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,619
like that happens I'll let you know in

1152
01:04:05,120 --> 01:03:57,839
the chat room and with that I'm going to

1153
01:04:10,339 --> 01:04:05,130
be there just random great hi hi

1154
01:04:12,229 --> 01:04:10,349
everyone thanks Anne um this one has

1155
01:04:14,749 --> 01:04:12,239
brought you the web site and she's

1156
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:14,759
really done a fantastic job

1157
01:04:19,429 --> 01:04:17,130
my name is Randall Dixon I really

1158
01:04:21,969 --> 01:04:19,439
appreciate you taking the time to listen

1159
01:04:26,509 --> 01:04:21,979
in on tonight's event and very much

1160
01:04:28,359 --> 01:04:26,519
appreciate your support and all the

1161
01:04:32,989 --> 01:04:28,369
donations that have been made that's

1162
01:04:34,729 --> 01:04:32,999
really helpful this is an important film

1163
01:04:38,149 --> 01:04:34,739
and I I don't think you will be

1164
01:04:39,979 --> 01:04:38,159
disappointed when you see it it's an

1165
01:04:41,899 --> 01:04:39,989
amazing story whether you believe in

1166
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:41,909
aliens or constants it's an incredible

1167
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:44,819
story this is also being broadcast live

1168
01:04:49,339 --> 01:04:47,059
on podcast UFO with Martin Lewis

1169
01:04:52,149 --> 01:04:49,349
Martin's a good friend of mine and does

1170
01:04:56,269 --> 01:04:52,159
a wonderful job English these issues

1171
01:04:58,759 --> 01:04:56,279
this film has been a label a sort of

1172
01:05:01,759 --> 01:04:58,769
love for for many years and there's

1173
01:05:02,929 --> 01:05:01,769
nearing completion and there are a lot

1174
01:05:06,469 --> 01:05:02,939
of people have been waiting for it to

1175
01:05:09,529 --> 01:05:06,479
come out whatever at the end and in the

1176
01:05:10,099 --> 01:05:09,539
surrounding area and people all over the

1177
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:10,109
world really

1178
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:13,140
it's event that affected a lot of

1179
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:15,299
people's lives and still lives on today

1180
01:05:22,579 --> 01:05:20,339
I Harvard professor dr. John Maxwell

1181
01:05:24,769 --> 01:05:22,589
several years after he passed it was

1182
01:05:26,089 --> 01:05:24,779
approached by Dominique Allen opposite

1183
01:05:29,479 --> 01:05:26,099
John McAfee

1184
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:29,489
to make it DVDs interviews in Zimbabwe

1185
01:05:36,169 --> 01:05:32,729
regarding the aerial school event and as

1186
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:36,179
I began seeing the scope the event the

1187
01:05:40,099 --> 01:05:38,130
discovery of several other archival

1188
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:40,109
interviews from 94 of witnesses

1189
01:05:45,630 --> 01:05:42,970
fires involved including the BBC Reuters

1190
01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:45,640
Harvard and after having found several

1191
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:47,260
other businesses from the local

1192
01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:49,090
community outside of arrow it became

1193
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:51,340
clear to me that this was a much larger

1194
01:06:00,240 --> 01:05:54,610
store and will acquire considerably more

1195
01:06:02,670 --> 01:06:00,250
time and effort sorry for those who

1196
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:02,680
don't know to flip rural primary

1197
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:05,710
schooling Zimbabwe in 1994 for at least

1198
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:08,890
60 school to 14 a craft and at least one

1199
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:10,810
strange being on their playground during

1200
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:13,660
the morning break time thousands of

1201
01:06:17,790 --> 01:06:15,970
other problems also report as being

1202
01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:17,800
something unusual during that same time

1203
01:06:24,180 --> 01:06:21,940
here and after Ariel the film has been

1204
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:24,190
an effort to help define all those

1205
01:06:29,610 --> 01:06:27,580
people and the witness is involved in

1206
01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:29,620
document these then has it happened and

1207
01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:31,900
the effect that still carry on now 20

1208
01:06:36,750 --> 01:06:34,900
years later it's a little history on the

1209
01:06:38,670 --> 01:06:36,760
project the first thing I received was

1210
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:38,680
the many hours of video interviews that

1211
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:40,750
dr. John that conducted in 94 except

1212
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:43,600
school I would begin transferring all

1213
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:45,610
the beta s P Tate's the digital format

1214
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:47,950
and as I looked at the footage and the

1215
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:49,570
interviews that became interested in

1216
01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:52,450
whether or not that there was more to

1217
01:06:57,930 --> 01:06:55,660
the story with the Johnny Mac Institute

1218
01:07:01,080 --> 01:06:57,940
which was set up after dr. Mac staff we

1219
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:01,090
initially raised 17,500 to a fundraiser

1220
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,310
which allowed me to transfer footage

1221
01:07:07,710 --> 01:07:06,160
research and travel to Africa to locate

1222
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:07,720
the school and anyone else who was

1223
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:11,680
involved at the time once in Africa I

1224
01:07:15,690 --> 01:07:13,510
began to find many of the people

1225
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,700
involved with the help of a reporter who

1226
01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:18,160
initially covered the story one

1227
01:07:22,490 --> 01:07:19,900
interesting thing I discovered was that

1228
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:22,500
all the reporters who covered this story

1229
01:07:26,970 --> 01:07:25,060
the event were adamant that what

1230
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:26,980
happened that area was real I found that

1231
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:29,410
fascinating and every reporter that

1232
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:31,330
covered the story also had kept all

1233
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:34,240
their notes and video from this event of

1234
01:07:41,010 --> 01:07:36,010
all the stories they covered this one

1235
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:41,020
held great importance I recovered all

1236
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:43,630
the archival footage of the interviews

1237
01:07:47,970 --> 01:07:46,330
and other media that other media chat as

1238
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:47,980
well as find the names of the people

1239
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,570
that were witness to these and also

1240
01:07:54,450 --> 01:07:52,000
teachers and parents and this event had

1241
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:54,460
been on so many people's minds for such

1242
01:07:59,410 --> 01:07:56,630
a long time that was never forgotten

1243
01:08:01,690 --> 01:07:59,420
now I was wondering why it had never

1244
01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:01,700
really been told and its entirety and

1245
01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:03,380
I'm sure the reason is because of the

1246
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,120
expense and time it would take to find

1247
01:08:10,750 --> 01:08:08,480
travel and interview everybody the

1248
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:10,760
explosion of social media may mean

1249
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:13,220
people a little easier I don't really

1250
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:17,870
think it would be without social media

1251
01:08:38,530 --> 01:08:36,370
scattered all across the globe and that

1252
01:08:41,860 --> 01:08:38,540
has made it a more difficult task for

1253
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:41,870
sure to find everybody as an example it

1254
01:08:47,730 --> 01:08:44,810
took me two years alone to find the BBC

1255
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:47,740
before this first on scene back in 1994

1256
01:08:52,570 --> 01:08:50,330
and I was able to get an interview with

1257
01:08:54,250 --> 01:08:52,580
him before he passed away and it's

1258
01:08:56,650 --> 01:08:54,260
everything he's ever done and his

1259
01:08:59,770 --> 01:08:56,660
coverage of this event he was a war

1260
01:09:03,070 --> 01:08:59,780
reporter in Africa and I spent some time

1261
01:09:05,260 --> 01:09:03,080
with him and you know he said many times

1262
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:05,270
over that this is the most amazing story

1263
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:09,530
he had ever covered when in Africa and

1264
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:11,330
England I received a lot of help I

1265
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:23,570
written Anna can't I do enough really

1266
01:09:28,329 --> 01:09:25,390
made it possible to get to this point

1267
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:28,339
when I got back to the state with

1268
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:32,000
hundreds of hours of footage kind of

1269
01:09:37,450 --> 01:09:35,450
been a little daunting I was working

1270
01:09:40,150 --> 01:09:37,460
alone on this project for a long time

1271
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:40,160
and wearing many hats is to say too many

1272
01:09:45,070 --> 01:09:43,070
hats trying so very hard to get all the

1273
01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:45,080
facts down documented and to really

1274
01:09:48,849 --> 01:09:46,760
understand how everything occurred the

1275
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:48,859
sequence of events in the aftermath now

1276
01:09:54,940 --> 01:09:53,330
which is you know one of the good things

1277
01:09:57,550 --> 01:09:54,950
about spending so much time on a project

1278
01:09:59,680 --> 01:09:57,560
is that the more more people come

1279
01:10:03,490 --> 01:09:59,690
forward over time and that is exactly

1280
01:10:05,290 --> 01:10:03,500
what happened it was it has just been

1281
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:05,300
difficult to travel meet and interview

1282
01:10:10,779 --> 01:10:07,430
all of them I'm gonna be great you know

1283
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:10,789
with a much higher budget to really

1284
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,480
to interview everyone I just it just

1285
01:10:19,390 --> 01:10:16,400
hasn't been feasible and I'd really like

1286
01:10:21,819 --> 01:10:19,400
to do that funding has been an issue for

1287
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:21,829
sure and I've had to stick to it and do

1288
01:10:25,959 --> 01:10:23,630
the best that I could with limited

1289
01:10:27,939 --> 01:10:25,969
resources you know they say that

1290
01:10:31,029 --> 01:10:27,949
completing a project like this it takes

1291
01:10:32,649 --> 01:10:31,039
three things time effort and money the

1292
01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:32,659
time and effort is definitely been there

1293
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:34,340
but the lack of funds has slowed me down

1294
01:10:40,510 --> 01:10:37,880
a bit I reached a point recently where I

1295
01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:40,520
just could not take everything on alone

1296
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:42,099
and I think that's a good thing and

1297
01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,510
started to put together a team to bring

1298
01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:46,880
the film to its completion which is why

1299
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:48,980
I have to raise funds also because

1300
01:10:54,339 --> 01:10:51,260
several more witnesses have come forward

1301
01:11:01,260 --> 01:10:54,349
that are keyed to the story and need to

1302
01:11:10,029 --> 01:11:08,680
maybe a real event so the bigger picture

1303
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:10,039
I mean you have a lot of thoughts when

1304
01:11:22,689 --> 01:11:21,289
you're making a film you know it was it

1305
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:22,699
was not what I saw in the initial

1306
01:11:26,649 --> 01:11:24,110
interviews but I think anybody that

1307
01:11:29,410 --> 01:11:26,659
she's like what there's something

1308
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:29,420
there's something to this you know it's

1309
01:11:33,370 --> 01:11:31,550
not a lot of describing what they saw of

1310
01:11:36,689 --> 01:11:33,380
an honesty that is difficult to create

1311
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:36,699
especially for kids of that age range

1312
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:39,530
but you have to look and when I was what

1313
01:11:44,379 --> 01:11:41,449
I found was through several interviews

1314
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:44,389
not just dr. max interviews a different

1315
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:47,840
news organizations overtime was that

1316
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,219
their stories didn't change

1317
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:51,440
there was a consistency to the reports

1318
01:11:55,149 --> 01:11:53,320
that spoke to the credibility that

1319
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,159
something was witnessed by these

1320
01:11:59,290 --> 01:11:57,679
children I've shown the interviews to

1321
01:12:01,569 --> 01:11:59,300
teachers and psychiatrists for their

1322
01:12:04,029 --> 01:12:01,579
take on whatever they whether they do

1323
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:04,039
what they were reporting was real and

1324
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:06,590
they were impressed and said that you

1325
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:13,090
know there's well they're there on the

1326
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:21,770
and there were other witnesses that also

1327
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:23,610
convinced me that there was something

1328
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:26,760
more to this in the days of for and

1329
01:12:32,959 --> 01:12:30,030
after that were adults pilots air

1330
01:12:34,939 --> 01:12:32,969
traffic controllers etc and I was

1331
01:12:36,379 --> 01:12:34,949
looking verification from another source

1332
01:12:38,899 --> 01:12:36,389
that that what is the area of energy

1333
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:38,909
trailer and that's where each other and

1334
01:12:43,459 --> 01:12:41,369
are so many others that's that who I

1335
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:43,469
have not had the resources to go and

1336
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:47,460
interview but they're out there my

1337
01:12:54,379 --> 01:12:51,510
question initially was for the witnesses

1338
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,389
today was what would they think today I

1339
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:57,090
mean I thought finding them would help

1340
01:13:02,510 --> 01:12:58,920
illuminate the truth in the event was

1341
01:13:04,609 --> 01:13:02,520
what they saw really one factor that how

1342
01:13:07,609 --> 01:13:04,619
did the families react this their

1343
01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:07,619
teachers yeah press reacts etcetera I

1344
01:13:13,310 --> 01:13:10,710
mean what did it mean to them all the

1345
01:13:15,229 --> 01:13:13,320
emotions that come up with what was an

1346
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:15,239
impactful of mass that so many people

1347
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,800
said was otherworldly as if he can't

1348
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:21,840
began to find the individual witnesses I

1349
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:24,960
found that some five different things at

1350
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,000
different times this was a large

1351
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:28,800
playground and different aged kids were

1352
01:13:32,959 --> 01:13:31,170
in different areas some were playing

1353
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:32,969
soccer football on the playing field and

1354
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:34,710
there's something some strange moving

1355
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:37,290
lights and sky before the children began

1356
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:39,090
to gather an area where these Dean's

1357
01:13:43,310 --> 01:13:41,610
List and somewhere in classrooms is

1358
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:43,320
finishing up the time and summer on the

1359
01:13:47,589 --> 01:13:46,170
playground it was not like everyone saw

1360
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:47,599
the same thing at the same time which

1361
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:50,840
actually also added a validity to it I

1362
01:13:55,010 --> 01:13:53,130
think Colin Mackey who was the

1363
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:55,020
headmaster at the time at the school

1364
01:14:01,100 --> 01:13:57,570
said of death said I'm convinced that

1365
01:14:03,140 --> 01:14:01,110
they saw something what it was like I

1366
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:03,150
think he handled the whole event in a

1367
01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:05,610
way that is admirable what's in closed

1368
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:07,980
minded and he wasn't too open-minded if

1369
01:14:15,859 --> 01:14:14,250
you know what I mean you know these

1370
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:15,869
events happen all over the world and

1371
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:18,320
hundreds of years if not more I

1372
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:20,940
interviewed some African tribal leaders

1373
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,699
well and I was there about this very

1374
01:14:29,540 --> 01:14:26,400
thing and one of some of the interesting

1375
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,550
things they said was in much more

1376
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:31,920
details we used to think

1377
01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:36,250
they were but now realize these visitors

1378
01:14:40,380 --> 01:14:38,260
they have had for hundreds of years or

1379
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:40,390
creatures from another planet that

1380
01:14:48,030 --> 01:14:44,560
appear to have the capability of God you

1381
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:48,040
know the questions many questions come

1382
01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:52,330
to mind when you're covering cosmic what

1383
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:54,160
does it say about us as a species that's

1384
01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:57,430
humans these are the events real in a

1385
01:15:01,680 --> 01:14:59,110
factual sense or is there something else

1386
01:15:03,390 --> 01:15:01,690
being said through these events what

1387
01:15:06,150 --> 01:15:03,400
comes from the actual contact was

1388
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:06,160
something unknown and what comes from

1389
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,620
the human psyche after the after the

1390
01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:10,480
fact it makes sense of what we've seen

1391
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:13,750
or experienced things also to explore in

1392
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:17,290
the film as well if nothing else the

1393
01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:18,610
questions other life in the universe

1394
01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:20,680
seems to be prevalent in the human

1395
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:22,540
consciousness and not going away anytime

1396
01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:26,440
soon discovering planets not so far away

1397
01:15:30,570 --> 01:15:28,240
from us that have the ingredients for

1398
01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:30,580
supporting life as we know it and that

1399
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:33,820
is key as we know it so only have one

1400
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:34,960
example that's far

1401
01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:39,070
and that's planet Earth and we live in

1402
01:15:43,190 --> 01:15:41,110
this vast vast space and we have not

1403
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,200
even ventured past our own front door

1404
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,840
we've been looking outside the windows

1405
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:48,400
what we have today is like far as far as

1406
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:50,590
capability and technology would appear

1407
01:15:54,930 --> 01:15:53,050
almost impossible or magical to our

1408
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:54,940
ancestors of even less than 100 years

1409
01:16:00,990 --> 01:15:58,960
ago I don't know I think about I think I

1410
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,000
don't think we can say with certainty at

1411
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:03,040
all what an alien intervention-- would

1412
01:16:08,060 --> 01:16:05,800
look like maybe the reports from around

1413
01:16:10,410 --> 01:16:08,070
the world are what it would look like I

1414
01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:10,420
mean very well be difficult to

1415
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:12,820
comprehend difficult to document or

1416
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,010
prove in our understanding of reality at

1417
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:17,920
this point if another civilization has

1418
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:19,750
progressed outside their solar systems

1419
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:21,310
it's sort of solar system earth

1420
01:16:26,060 --> 01:16:23,230
or has a million years of space travel

1421
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:26,070
under their belt their capability

1422
01:16:32,430 --> 01:16:30,070
understanding intelligence in how they

1423
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:32,440
interact with a far less advanced

1424
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:35,770
species may seem like magic to us or be

1425
01:16:40,830 --> 01:16:37,330
so subtle that which can't even

1426
01:16:42,510 --> 01:16:40,840
recognize it for what it is it may

1427
01:16:44,620 --> 01:16:42,520
involve many things we haven't even

1428
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:44,630
discovered yet or hi papa

1429
01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:46,710
there are many thoughts while shots the

1430
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:48,870
one who goes through when considering

1431
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:51,900
the possibilities of the unknown and not

1432
01:16:57,380 --> 01:16:53,910
to be afraid of it or get paranoid but

1433
01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:57,390
to look with an open skeptical mind at

1434
01:17:02,480 --> 01:16:58,890
this mysterious universe in which we

1435
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:02,490
live just some thoughts that go across

1436
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:06,840
one month in investigating the area

1437
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:08,730
school school incident I'm not hundreds

1438
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:13,500
of people from all over the world and

1439
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:17,970
there's no big story as so many

1440
01:17:23,030 --> 01:17:19,770
investigators have found the same thing

1441
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:23,040
I guess the question is on my mind that

1442
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:24,540
you know I've had a lot of people

1443
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,000
approach me and discuss it with me why

1444
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:29,040
can't we discuss it more openly there's

1445
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:31,290
so many people that keep it quiet

1446
01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:33,570
you know I've had several people I was

1447
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:36,230
the only person he's ever told about

1448
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:42,570
very moving I mean it is many people

1449
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:44,250
have said the biggest in human history

1450
01:17:49,670 --> 01:17:48,090
and that that day never comes will be

1451
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:49,680
the biggest day if it has not already

1452
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:52,710
happened and I agree with that and I

1453
01:17:56,900 --> 01:17:55,230
guess but you see and seen in the past

1454
01:18:01,720 --> 01:17:56,910
is like incorrect at times the

1455
01:18:05,090 --> 01:18:01,730
resistance to something so new and

1456
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:05,100
unchanging can be ferocious but we

1457
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:07,080
should really look carefully at these

1458
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:09,330
events very carefully and not dismiss

1459
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:11,970
them so easily and find out what we can

1460
01:18:19,730 --> 01:18:18,030
learn I think it's important so in

1461
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:19,740
spending years meeting all these people

1462
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:26,940
or witnesses and events a lot of

1463
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:28,410
questions of what happened that day

1464
01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:30,420
and I hope to answer a lot of their

1465
01:18:35,420 --> 01:18:33,720
questions and there's great support from

1466
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:35,430
everybody involved who wants to see this

1467
01:18:50,150 --> 01:18:43,410
story told you're doing something that

1468
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:50,160
even the people involved or wanna see so

1469
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:01,430
much appreciated and I reach the point

1470
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:03,900
where I cannot afford the next steps and

1471
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:06,120
I had to bring people on board which is

1472
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:06,810
wonderful

1473
01:19:16,220 --> 01:19:12,900
would see what an amazing story this is

1474
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:16,230
and Christopher and Eric and Leslie and

1475
01:19:21,380 --> 01:19:19,770
seven amazing health and have also had a

1476
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:21,390
lot of support from all the people who

1477
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:27,480
have donated so far as you know we're

1478
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:29,460
currently doing a fundraiser on our

1479
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,010
website to raise additional resources to

1480
01:19:37,190 --> 01:19:34,800
keep the project going our goal is to

1481
01:19:39,950 --> 01:19:37,200
complete the final interviews and Cepeda

1482
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:39,960
yet pay the editors which is 80 thousand

1483
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:43,050
total for an app for that and we're less

1484
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:46,020
than 20% there but hey 20% is really

1485
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:49,110
good and we are also looking for an

1486
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:50,910
executive producer who will share this

1487
01:19:59,420 --> 01:19:56,850
incredible store the world and we really

1488
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:59,430
need your help our Facebook page has

1489
01:20:04,190 --> 01:20:01,800
exploded from zero through twenty six

1490
01:20:07,190 --> 01:20:04,200
hundred people in over a month and

1491
01:20:09,530 --> 01:20:07,200
fifteen thousand hits on our website in

1492
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:09,540
a little over three weeks there's a lot

1493
01:20:15,770 --> 01:20:13,920
of interest in this story if you know if

1494
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:15,780
everyone who is on our Facebook page

1495
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:18,660
donated $15 we would be well on our way

1496
01:20:24,650 --> 01:20:22,920
I thought the fundraising pages look at

1497
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:24,660
the gifts available we really appreciate

1498
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:27,690
any help that you can give us big thanks

1499
01:20:32,690 --> 01:20:30,510
to all those who have donated and to

1500
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:32,700
continue to support this film we really

1501
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:36,239
appreciate it so that's a little bit of

1502
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:38,430
the talk right now and I'm going to

1503
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:48,060
start answering some questions so okay I

1504
01:20:55,850 --> 01:20:52,980
mean did you track down oh no question

1505
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:55,860
about forty of the children and then

1506
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:58,560
most of the teachers all of the

1507
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:01,520
reporters about fifty other witnesses

1508
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:09,449
maybe of X 60 okay

1509
01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:12,940
how did be this experience affect or

1510
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:20,440
impact the life traveling some I don't

1511
01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:24,489
think friends run into any think about

1512
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:29,400
it very often it's not every single day

1513
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:32,320
so there's I think the profound impact I

1514
01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:37,300
think I find that the children that were

1515
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:40,989
closer to this being or the two of them

1516
01:21:51,959 --> 01:21:43,510
two beings that were reported I think

1517
01:21:53,729 --> 01:21:51,969
they had the most profound impact did

1518
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:53,739
any of the kids parents or teachers

1519
01:22:01,530 --> 01:21:55,780
which used to be interviewed um

1520
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:01,540
I not for the most part I only had one

1521
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:04,810
person that that didn't want to be

1522
01:22:10,670 --> 01:22:07,840
interviewed and you know and set up the

1523
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:10,680
interview and I was traveling there and

1524
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:15,719
I think his reason I didn't was

1525
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,730
fascinating to me actually it wasn't he

1526
01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:20,320
didn't say it didn't happen or anything

1527
01:22:27,930 --> 01:22:22,630
else he was very religious person and

1528
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:27,940
thought that whatever happened and that

1529
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,440
something you run into for sure has

1530
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:43,840
another question have any skeptics

1531
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:46,449
attempted to debunked this is this

1532
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:48,760
incident what have the expressions

1533
01:22:58,370 --> 01:22:52,150
explanations thing well I've looked at

1534
01:23:02,250 --> 01:22:58,380
some of the the debunking people letters

1535
01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:02,260
you know the data presented and when you

1536
01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:04,750
research something for years you learn

1537
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:07,540
about the whole sequence of events and

1538
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:10,530
who is involved in this math and I

1539
01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:17,370
haven't found a good I haven't felt like

1540
01:23:21,839 --> 01:23:20,590
the skeptic side has really presented

1541
01:23:25,259 --> 01:23:21,849
that are chemicals aside

1542
01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:25,269
that are available which there are many

1543
01:23:33,149 --> 01:23:27,550
and also I think you know I want to

1544
01:23:34,349 --> 01:23:33,159
cover that as well it will be there's

1545
01:23:37,379 --> 01:23:34,359
another question what has made the

1546
01:23:44,069 --> 01:23:37,389
strongest impact on you and making this

1547
01:23:46,859 --> 01:23:44,079
documentary the people I think people

1548
01:23:52,859 --> 01:23:46,869
involved and how it's impacted their

1549
01:24:01,139 --> 01:23:52,869
lives also you know the other people

1550
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:01,149
that have nothing things that have

1551
01:24:06,770 --> 01:24:03,550
happened to them like that has because

1552
01:24:11,339 --> 01:24:06,780
and that is really about me impacted me

1553
01:24:14,069 --> 01:24:11,349
because they a lot of times as I said

1554
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:14,079
earlier these were they were telling me

1555
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:17,340
something that they hadn't told anybody

1556
01:24:22,799 --> 01:24:21,249
that effect that affected me a lot and

1557
01:24:32,189 --> 01:24:22,809
brings up the question of why does this

1558
01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:32,199
have to be so secretive and you know

1559
01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:36,550
just be a little more open-minded about

1560
01:24:42,659 --> 01:24:40,329
looking at things like why not we live

1561
01:24:45,599 --> 01:24:42,669
in a big universe we live in making all

1562
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:45,609
these discoveries every day we're still

1563
01:24:49,229 --> 01:24:47,289
discovering species on our planet

1564
01:24:53,639 --> 01:24:49,239
and we still haven't explored our oceans

1565
01:24:55,919 --> 01:24:53,649
really fully and you know personally I

1566
01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:55,929
just think I don't know if we can say

1567
01:25:02,669 --> 01:24:59,590
there's nothing out there or you know

1568
01:25:06,979 --> 01:25:02,679
make judgments on whether or not

1569
01:25:27,409 --> 01:25:12,779
a lot of questions but yeah I've been

1570
01:25:31,500 --> 01:25:29,759
thank you for doing this thank you I

1571
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:31,510
really appreciate that it means a lot

1572
01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:35,530
when I hear that because it's been

1573
01:25:49,950 --> 01:25:42,300
a lot of work I really appreciate them

1574
01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:49,960
good good words from people did any of

1575
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:51,940
the other children have intuitions of

1576
01:25:57,660 --> 01:25:55,330
ecological devastation yes I think

1577
01:26:02,970 --> 01:25:57,670
there's still a lot of people that I

1578
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:02,980
have not been able to interview that

1579
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:06,010
have more information on that part of

1580
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:08,670
this the message which i think is just

1581
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:19,330
when you think about that something

1582
01:26:28,190 --> 01:26:24,370
pretty magical about that stuff okay let

1583
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:30,210
what are their similarities and

1584
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:32,500
differences with the Westfall incident

1585
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:34,690
that was in Australia I believe it was

1586
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:38,560
1966 I believe this was an incident that

1587
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:41,710
happened in Australia and I believe the

1588
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:46,570
difference is that these were this was

1589
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:49,080
an incident where a craft was seen

1590
01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:53,410
unusual craft repair crap I'll bring

1591
01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:55,630
very low to the ground I don't think

1592
01:26:58,830 --> 01:26:57,100
that there were any being seen I think

1593
01:27:00,030 --> 01:26:58,840
that's the only difference in there you

1594
01:27:14,190 --> 01:27:00,040
know there was another case in brought

1595
01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:14,200
Haven Wales back in the area it was

1596
01:27:22,290 --> 01:27:21,070
quite a big internet and you know I went

1597
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:22,300
actually went there because it was

1598
01:27:27,210 --> 01:27:25,210
similar to area there there was a craft

1599
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:27,220
scene and a few of the kids had seen a

1600
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:30,850
beam so I went there and then and met

1601
01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:34,330
with some of the people that were now in

1602
01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:38,140
their 40s and still believe what

1603
01:27:47,780 --> 01:27:44,510
and they you know didn't want to be

1604
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,790
interviewed at this point but I didn't

1605
01:27:52,610 --> 01:27:48,960
interview some of the teachers at broad

1606
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:52,620
haven but you know that was interesting

1607
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:54,060
that that many years later that

1608
01:27:59,959 --> 01:27:58,260
everybody was still said that what they

1609
01:28:06,020 --> 01:27:59,969
said with what they said when they were

1610
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:06,030
young is real so yeah there's I had to

1611
01:28:10,490 --> 01:28:07,590
take some time to really look at other

1612
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:10,500
incidents and you know there's a lot of

1613
01:28:32,990 --> 01:28:13,080
things you have to consider when looking

1614
01:28:34,669 --> 01:28:33,000
at anything like this okay interesting

1615
01:28:36,919 --> 01:28:34,679
have any of the children that have been

1616
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:36,929
we interviewed recently claimed to have

1617
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:44,610
been abducted I talked to several that

1618
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,610
have had further definitely several who

1619
01:28:57,860 --> 01:28:52,800
had a lot of dreams and nightmares

1620
01:29:00,860 --> 01:28:57,870
around but it occurred there and some

1621
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:00,870
question revolves around that I don't

1622
01:29:08,740 --> 01:29:03,840
know I haven't you know I'm not going to

1623
01:29:13,630 --> 01:29:08,750
like shift of time you know I kind of

1624
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:13,640
want to respect people's you know we're

1625
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:18,780
how far the ones go I don't know it's

1626
01:29:35,380 --> 01:29:24,810
bringing up things but it's a good

1627
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:37,700
did the children yes that's a good

1628
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:39,540
question did the children experience

1629
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:42,210
nightmares over the years or were they

1630
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:46,970
able to live normal lives I think uh I

1631
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:51,450
would say just from my experience I'd

1632
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:55,560
say about a quarter had nightmares over

1633
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,050
the years I think they're all trying to

1634
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:00,000
live normal lives and they're very

1635
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:03,960
normal people all over the spectrum and

1636
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:06,930
a huge ever been to Zimbabwe and that's

1637
01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:07,920
some of the people that are there just

1638
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:10,070
been wonderful

1639
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:19,550
grounded warm-hearted people but yes

1640
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:22,110
question has anybody attempted to shop

1641
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:23,850
this documentary well we're working on

1642
01:30:34,970 --> 01:30:24,410
it

1643
01:30:37,010 --> 01:30:34,980
this point and I just you know whoever

1644
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:37,020
gets involved in this it's not going to

1645
01:30:41,690 --> 01:30:38,610
be deported I have a great editor a

1646
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:41,700
great great team a great story editor

1647
01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:45,000
and it's a heart so you know there's

1648
01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:48,060
something that put a lot of my personal

1649
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:52,020
heart into and and the people around me

1650
01:31:05,240 --> 01:30:55,890
also have been just wonderful support

1651
01:31:08,540 --> 01:31:05,250
and volunteering networks just in

1652
01:31:13,970 --> 01:31:08,550
broadcasting the final movie yes have

1653
01:31:15,380 --> 01:31:13,980
have some interest there and you know

1654
01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:15,390
I'm just trying to get it to the best

1655
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:18,780
venue where it can reach a wide audience

1656
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:22,730
I think this film has the potential to

1657
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:25,290
completely open people's minds and think

1658
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:37,050
about yeah it's um done yet when is it

1659
01:31:44,750 --> 01:31:39,450
going to be I don't we're well on the

1660
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:44,760
way in and you know this has primarily

1661
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:47,130
been a self-funded project sort of been

1662
01:31:52,970 --> 01:31:49,130
completing years ago

1663
01:31:58,490 --> 01:31:52,980
just hasn't been a progression and

1664
01:32:02,270 --> 01:31:58,500
everything and so yeah that's the reason

1665
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:02,280
I mean projects take a long time I know

1666
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:06,570
I know if you've ever seena when you

1667
01:32:12,370 --> 01:32:08,070
watch the credits of the movie you see

1668
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:12,380
hundreds of people names roll by and

1669
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,780
it's and and they get it done in a year

1670
01:32:25,550 --> 01:32:17,520
or two but what do you have one person

1671
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:25,560
were five people if you have to wear

1672
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:28,170
many hats and you learn a lot in doing

1673
01:32:38,060 --> 01:32:35,820
it and you know normally a project like

1674
01:32:41,419 --> 01:32:38,070
anything different when it's an

1675
01:32:45,550 --> 01:32:41,429
independent stuff like this you know it

1676
01:32:50,030 --> 01:32:45,560
can take seven years my friend of mine

1677
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:50,040
their first um sense 14 years to me and

1678
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:52,440
it's one that was wonderful it was well

1679
01:32:59,060 --> 01:32:57,770
worth wait much that only was on his own

1680
01:33:02,390 --> 01:32:59,070
wandah

1681
01:33:05,689 --> 01:33:02,400
the things going on there so yeah it

1682
01:33:19,820 --> 01:33:05,699
does take time and it's not been for

1683
01:33:21,649 --> 01:33:19,830
lack of effort or time in your

1684
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:21,659
interviewing of the experiencers did you

1685
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:24,449
see any analogies and then personality

1686
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,770
life stories not really I mean they all

1687
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:36,000
come across me of just very normal

1688
01:33:46,189 --> 01:33:41,520
people you know on doing all kinds of

1689
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,199
different jobs most in their 20s very

1690
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:48,560
late 20s early 30s

1691
01:33:52,879 --> 01:33:51,360
yeah just you know again it was like

1692
01:33:54,919 --> 01:33:52,889
what I guess the thing that strikes me

1693
01:33:57,649 --> 01:33:54,929
most is where they come from Zimbabwe

1694
01:34:00,260 --> 01:33:57,659
Africa it's it's it's a different world

1695
01:34:01,709 --> 01:34:00,270
over there it's almost like literally

1696
01:34:04,140 --> 01:34:01,719
going to another planet

1697
01:34:04,890 --> 01:34:04,150
different what we're used to in the

1698
01:34:22,919 --> 01:34:04,900
Western world

1699
01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:22,929
I didn't totally read yes say how

1700
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:31,350
should just get the story told when you

1701
01:34:34,979 --> 01:34:33,400
know something you know something that's

1702
01:34:38,219 --> 01:34:34,989
a great story so many good people

1703
01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:38,229
involved the honesty at which which

1704
01:34:45,020 --> 01:34:43,119
people communicate how they feel I mean

1705
01:34:51,209 --> 01:34:45,030
that's the whole spectrum from the

1706
01:34:57,259 --> 01:34:51,219
children today to convened and back in

1707
01:35:02,489 --> 01:34:57,269
94 to the teachers to to the reporters

1708
01:35:08,069 --> 01:35:02,499
yeah it's just it's a great place a

1709
01:35:21,909 --> 01:35:08,079
really great project so I'm gonna get

1710
01:35:27,729 --> 01:35:24,819
yeah did you follow up with any of the

1711
01:35:41,609 --> 01:35:27,739
investigators well sin behind passed

1712
01:35:43,929 --> 01:35:41,619
away in 2000 I did get in touch with and

1713
01:35:46,509 --> 01:35:43,939
worked with Cynthia hind and spoke with

1714
01:35:49,209 --> 01:35:46,519
him and so another investigator came

1715
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:49,219
back in 97 I would say this event has

1716
01:35:56,919 --> 01:35:53,209
been covered by a lot of different

1717
01:36:01,839 --> 01:35:56,929
countries and but mainly for like a

1718
01:36:04,899 --> 01:36:01,849
short ten-minute piece which covered the

1719
01:36:08,709 --> 01:36:04,909
events and basically didn't really look

1720
01:36:14,489 --> 01:36:08,719
into the deeper what happened how it

1721
01:36:17,469 --> 01:36:14,499
happens look or the order of events

1722
01:36:20,409 --> 01:36:17,479
which is you know you look I'm sorry

1723
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:20,419
funny I mean looking back on it now

1724
01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:22,070
going back we're covering everything

1725
01:36:27,129 --> 01:36:25,550
looking at all of the facts and the

1726
01:36:29,529 --> 01:36:27,139
details of what was going out to time

1727
01:36:33,729 --> 01:36:29,539
all over in the full spectrum as far as

1728
01:36:41,620 --> 01:36:33,739
what's happening there except for the

1729
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:41,630
political situation all that stuff here

1730
01:36:51,879 --> 01:36:47,510
and there so I'm gonna have to wrap it

1731
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:51,889
up here soon somebody else asked do you

1732
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:53,449
think of getting any of the witnesses

1733
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,010
hypnotized or did you get them

1734
01:36:59,919 --> 01:36:58,159
emphasized that I did not and I'm not

1735
01:37:06,279 --> 01:36:59,929
aware that any it's been hypnotized

1736
01:37:08,799 --> 01:37:06,289
before I get for the detail yeah okay so

1737
01:37:11,459 --> 01:37:08,809
yeah we're really working on the one

1738
01:37:14,850 --> 01:37:11,469
when will the film be released and the

1739
01:37:21,069 --> 01:37:14,860
goal is for sure the end of this year

1740
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:21,079
again editing carrying on right now we

1741
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:24,530
are just trying to raise the funds

1742
01:37:31,229 --> 01:37:27,010
necessary to make it all happen

1743
01:37:33,609 --> 01:37:31,239
so okay let me I'm gonna end the Q&A

1744
01:37:35,229 --> 01:37:33,619
again I really appreciate the questions

1745
01:37:39,729 --> 01:37:35,239
and the interest

1746
01:37:41,260 --> 01:37:39,739
in this film and thank you so much for

1747
01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:41,270
listening I really appreciate all your

1748
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:55,570
so please donate if you can if you can

1749
01:38:01,470 --> 01:37:58,130
and if you haven't already and if you

1750
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:01,480
can't like our Facebook page and Twitter

1751
01:38:07,540 --> 01:38:04,310
send it to friends link through the web

1752
01:38:17,260 --> 01:38:07,550
site and help get the word out the web

1753
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:17,270
site is aerial phenomenon and the

1754
01:38:22,660 --> 01:38:20,330
Facebook page is aerial documentary and

1755
01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:22,670
watching a pitch help course itself

1756
01:38:29,860 --> 01:38:26,150
centenary interest yeah really really

1757
01:38:32,170 --> 01:38:29,870
really appreciates them all the help and

1758
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:32,180
thanks things are moving along well and

1759
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:35,690
I think this will be a very important

1760
01:38:40,570 --> 01:38:38,510
film for the age we live in there's

1761
01:38:43,180 --> 01:38:40,580
never been a film on this topic that has

1762
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:43,190
been told in such a way where it's not

1763
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:46,400
people involved and not about special

1764
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:50,570
effects speak so yeah please donate

1765
01:38:57,580 --> 01:38:54,800
again check out the gifts get some cool

1766
01:39:00,430 --> 01:38:57,590
gifts and help bring this fascinating

1767
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:00,440
story to the world I really appreciate

1768
01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:02,210
it and thank you so much for my heart

1769
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:09,340
and tonight alright so that is it for

1770
01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:12,770
that's at for that as they say hang on

1771
01:39:17,530 --> 01:39:13,660
just a minute

1772
01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:17,540
I've got about 50,000 things here going

1773
01:39:21,490 --> 01:39:19,430
so if you're listening live in the dark

1774
01:39:23,140 --> 01:39:21,500
matter radio thank you for hanging in

1775
01:39:26,140 --> 01:39:23,150
I'm sorry there was a little bit of

1776
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:26,150
sound issues with that's a blog talk

1777
01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:29,570
radio sometimes there is and he was on a

1778
01:39:33,670 --> 01:39:31,790
cell phone so it didn't make it a real

1779
01:39:34,990 --> 01:39:33,680
clear show they're gonna try to work

1780
01:39:37,810 --> 01:39:35,000
something out I'll be glad to help

1781
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:37,820
Brandi work something out with that for

1782
01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:40,190
his next show so if you want to bounce

1783
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:43,960
back on over to podcast UFO calm and

1784
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:47,830
jump in the chatroom you are welcome to

1785
01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:51,870
and we are going to be opening up the

1786
01:40:00,320 --> 01:39:54,340
we're gonna be opening up the phones

1787
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:00,330
soon and Skype as well because we have

1788
01:40:07,500 --> 01:40:03,070
well we've got about 20 minutes left to

1789
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:07,510
this show so I have a really good friend

1790
01:40:11,850 --> 01:40:09,010
of mine that I've known for a number of

1791
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:11,860
years that happens to be in the antique

1792
01:40:16,410 --> 01:40:13,930
and auction business and we've known

1793
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:16,420
each other like I said for years and one

1794
01:40:21,180 --> 01:40:19,330
day I was working late and I got a phone

1795
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:21,190
call from him thinking he was gonna tell

1796
01:40:25,980 --> 01:40:24,310
me about antiques or whatever it is and

1797
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:25,990
he says to me guess what we have

1798
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:27,190
something in common

1799
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:30,250
and I said yeah we both love antiques

1800
01:40:38,250 --> 01:40:33,520
and he said no UFOs I just found your

1801
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:38,260
show so his name is Walt and he should

1802
01:40:44,430 --> 01:40:41,650
be he should be calling in any second

1803
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:44,440
and I might even try to call him let's

1804
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:51,610
see if I can figure that out and I was

1805
01:41:01,320 --> 01:40:52,930
just trying right now see if that

1806
01:41:04,500 --> 01:41:01,330
happens okay so bear with me everyone we

1807
01:41:07,860 --> 01:41:04,510
were all troupers so it's been a little

1808
01:41:14,430 --> 01:41:07,870
bit of a different show but I'm hoping

1809
01:41:20,220 --> 01:41:14,440
that it is enjoyable for you and here we

1810
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:20,230
go Walt are you there good you sound

1811
01:41:28,050 --> 01:41:26,470
better than the last guy in a while but

1812
01:41:31,170 --> 01:41:28,060
everything seems to be all right so far

1813
01:41:33,380 --> 01:41:31,180
yes so Walt I was just I was just

1814
01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:33,390
telling the listening audience that

1815
01:41:39,630 --> 01:41:37,780
whoops guess what we lost our we lost

1816
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,640
our live feed hang on just a minute

1817
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:41,920
can you hear me I can hear you fine but

1818
01:41:50,300 --> 01:41:45,490
somehow like I hung up on our live feed

1819
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:50,310
while I was calling you and here we go

1820
01:42:04,459 --> 01:41:59,310
sorry about that everyone I still don't

1821
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:08,990
okay I think we're back live and I

1822
01:42:13,770 --> 01:42:10,570
apologize for that

1823
01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:13,780
for the listeners that you listening

1824
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:15,400
live we had a little brief bit of

1825
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:18,730
silence while I was calling it's my

1826
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,280
fault I did it and but we are back live

1827
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:24,159
and I have my good friend Walt Holland

1828
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:26,170
on from down in Gloucester Massachusetts

1829
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:27,520
how you doing Walt

1830
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:30,610
pretty good my snow starting to melt so

1831
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:33,250
I'm kind of excited about that yeah and

1832
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:34,810
we have a we have a chat room and it's

1833
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:36,190
kind of going wild tonight there's a lot

1834
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:39,850
of people in it awesome I was telling

1835
01:42:45,149 --> 01:42:43,360
the story about how I was busy working

1836
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:45,159
one night you called me and I thought

1837
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:46,870
you were calling me about antiques or

1838
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:49,690
something and you called me because you

1839
01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:52,690
said we have something in common that's

1840
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:57,070
right that's right yeah yeah I think we

1841
01:43:00,300 --> 01:42:58,719
were we were already friends for quite a

1842
01:43:02,970 --> 01:43:00,310
while right

1843
01:43:07,410 --> 01:43:02,980
I saw I saw something on your Facebook

1844
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:07,420
feed about your podcast and I said you

1845
01:43:15,899 --> 01:43:12,360
know we have something in common and I

1846
01:43:20,430 --> 01:43:15,909
actually I actually had a sighting

1847
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:20,440
winnette when I was a kid and me and let

1848
01:43:25,290 --> 01:43:22,270
me say I haven't talked to these guys in

1849
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:25,300
years I think that was four four other

1850
01:43:33,149 --> 01:43:31,449
guys that was Greg Andy Jerry and I

1851
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:33,159
think guy was there he always hung out

1852
01:43:37,919 --> 01:43:35,530
when I was in myself I won't mention any

1853
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:37,929
of their last name so yeah so you want

1854
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:42,760
me to it's quite a all right I want you

1855
01:43:48,780 --> 01:43:46,570
to also tell because it struck me with

1856
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:48,790
the feeling that it gave you so just go

1857
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:53,920
ahead and just tell the story sure so we

1858
01:43:59,160 --> 01:43:57,010
were we were a bunch of Catholic kids

1859
01:44:05,340 --> 01:43:59,170
that we know let me get this straight so

1860
01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:05,350
we had to be 75 or 76 because we we used

1861
01:44:08,939 --> 01:44:07,000
to go to these roller skating parties

1862
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:08,949
that our school or to put on you know

1863
01:44:11,939 --> 01:44:11,650
they do them like two or three times a

1864
01:44:13,530 --> 01:44:11,949
year

1865
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:13,540
roller skating right with four

1866
01:44:21,540 --> 01:44:19,810
remember that so we don't tell any of

1867
01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:21,550
the nuns but we were kind of how razors

1868
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:24,190
you know so on the way up we are even at

1869
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:25,930
that young age we partied quite a bit

1870
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:28,360
but this incident happened on the way

1871
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:30,850
back and we were not we were all we were

1872
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:32,650
all straight and right as rain so this

1873
01:44:42,020 --> 01:44:40,090
is 1975 76 or so so to prove that I'm

1874
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:42,030
telling the truth about this story I

1875
01:44:47,310 --> 01:44:45,430
would if I was fibbing I would be I

1876
01:44:49,170 --> 01:44:47,320
would say I was the one with the

1877
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:49,180
girlfriend that we were dropping off at

1878
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:51,850
home but I wasn't there's that guy Jerry

1879
01:44:55,650 --> 01:44:53,290
one of the kids we hung around with

1880
01:44:59,130 --> 01:44:55,660
Jerry oh he's got all the girls and we

1881
01:45:01,200 --> 01:44:59,140
were dropping off one of his girlfriend

1882
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:01,210
so we came back from the roller skating

1883
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:04,090
party and there were some other girls

1884
01:45:08,250 --> 01:45:05,890
they were friends of ours and then Jerry

1885
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:08,260
had a girlfriend we would walk the train

1886
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:10,810
tracks on the way back to Ann's house

1887
01:45:17,070 --> 01:45:15,010
Annie's house so Jerry dropped off Annie

1888
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:17,080
and we were out there and he came out

1889
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:20,290
and we were all standing around together

1890
01:45:26,250 --> 01:45:22,930
and this is it wasn't it it was a quiet

1891
01:45:27,390 --> 01:45:26,260
street not not by any means a deserted

1892
01:45:29,670 --> 01:45:27,400
area but quiet

1893
01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:29,680
I'll back their train tracks and you

1894
01:45:33,540 --> 01:45:31,270
know you'd walk about maybe a quarter

1895
01:45:35,610 --> 01:45:33,550
mile and get to what you might call

1896
01:45:40,440 --> 01:45:35,620
civilization but you know the quiet

1897
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:40,450
Street and I'm not really sure which one

1898
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:42,010
of us in fact I can remember the

1899
01:45:47,070 --> 01:45:43,570
conversation clearly but I can't

1900
01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:47,080
remember who said what so all of a

1901
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:49,990
sudden somebody said hey what's that and

1902
01:45:55,620 --> 01:45:52,930
we looked up and we all kind of froze

1903
01:45:57,690 --> 01:45:55,630
and I'm not kidding Marty this was the

1904
01:46:00,960 --> 01:45:57,700
strangest experience I've ever had in my

1905
01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,970
life it was absolutely amazing so we

1906
01:46:07,470 --> 01:46:03,280
looked up and we saw a yellow disc

1907
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:07,480
shining down on us imagine the moon if

1908
01:46:10,110 --> 01:46:09,730
they didn't have any blue spots on it at

1909
01:46:12,180 --> 01:46:10,120
all

1910
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:12,190
okay completely wrong I mean just

1911
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:15,490
perfectly round and yellow it was up

1912
01:46:19,200 --> 01:46:17,710
sideways like that too or at least it

1913
01:46:22,950 --> 01:46:19,210
appeared to be sideways but it was

1914
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:22,960
shining down on us and we were freaked

1915
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:25,210
and we had a conversation with like what

1916
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:26,230
is that like

1917
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:30,010
man I don't know like that that's it's

1918
01:46:35,070 --> 01:46:32,410
freaking me out and we're talking like

1919
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:35,080
that like what is it and I one of us

1920
01:46:40,110 --> 01:46:36,960
it's I think it was me

1921
01:46:44,340 --> 01:46:40,120
said I know what that is because earlier

1922
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:44,350
in the last oh man the two weeks maybe

1923
01:46:50,010 --> 01:46:46,930
months before this there were a lot of

1924
01:46:51,810 --> 01:46:50,020
people sighting spotting UFOs and it was

1925
01:46:54,180 --> 01:46:51,820
in the news and there were stories

1926
01:46:56,490 --> 01:46:54,190
they're like oh yeah it's a lot of

1927
01:46:58,680 --> 01:46:56,500
people are getting helicopter beams

1928
01:47:01,560 --> 01:46:58,690
mixed up with UFOs because helicopters

1929
01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:01,570
have round lights but this wasn't a

1930
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:04,060
helicopter and one of us said I know

1931
01:47:08,370 --> 01:47:06,580
what that is that's a helicopter they

1932
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:08,380
have round lights like that and I think

1933
01:47:12,450 --> 01:47:10,330
it was me that said that and then

1934
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:12,460
somebody else said helicopters make

1935
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:15,760
noise and they move and we so the

1936
01:47:20,580 --> 01:47:18,130
conversation seems like five minutes but

1937
01:47:23,250 --> 01:47:20,590
I'm really probably pretty sure it was

1938
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:23,260
like a minute or so and we looked up and

1939
01:47:29,850 --> 01:47:26,170
we're really you know so we're we're for

1940
01:47:32,670 --> 01:47:29,860
Catholic school boys and we're like

1941
01:47:35,790 --> 01:47:32,680
let's look down and see what by the way

1942
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:35,800
this was it wasn't like super high up it

1943
01:47:42,780 --> 01:47:39,010
appeared to us like it was it looked as

1944
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:42,790
high up as it is maybe a hundred a two

1945
01:47:47,670 --> 01:47:44,650
hundred feet it wasn't like real real

1946
01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:47,680
high and it was shining like right down

1947
01:47:51,870 --> 01:47:49,870
like it was right over us but it was

1948
01:47:56,190 --> 01:47:51,880
sideways but it yet it was shining down

1949
01:48:01,530 --> 01:47:56,200
so so we just just a second here with

1950
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:01,540
sideways but shining it down we were

1951
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:03,489
looking at the moon up at the moon we

1952
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:05,530
could see we could see that it was a

1953
01:48:10,590 --> 01:48:07,930
circle you know and this is like this is

1954
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:10,600
a long time ago I I recall it kind of

1955
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:15,790
being sideways here that oh excuse me

1956
01:48:20,820 --> 01:48:18,280
you do hear of that oh really yeah like

1957
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:20,830
like the way they're tilted has nothing

1958
01:48:28,650 --> 01:48:22,770
to do with their propulsion and moving

1959
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:28,660
Wow yeah okay so I didn't know that but

1960
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,910
so and that could be you know what it

1961
01:48:34,650 --> 01:48:32,320
could have been looking down on his flat

1962
01:48:38,820 --> 01:48:34,660
that's my memory that's my recall they

1963
01:48:39,959 --> 01:48:38,830
know I'm I'm 54 so this happened when I

1964
01:48:44,189 --> 01:48:39,969
was like 15

1965
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:44,199
clean 7576 so but I recall it being

1966
01:48:47,969 --> 01:48:46,449
sideways so we were all in on this

1967
01:48:49,529 --> 01:48:47,979
together like we're talking about like

1968
01:48:52,620 --> 01:48:49,539
what do we do about this thing like is

1969
01:48:56,129 --> 01:48:52,630
it going to get us what is it and we

1970
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:56,139
said let's look down and see what

1971
01:48:59,729 --> 01:48:57,090
happens

1972
01:49:04,259 --> 01:48:59,739
kind of like kind of like an ostrich you

1973
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:04,269
know kind of we were yeah we were we

1974
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:09,489
were like definitely unsavory where it's

1975
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:12,489
a about we were we probably needed to

1976
01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:17,530
change it was it was scary so we did all

1977
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,940
look down and we looked back up and it

1978
01:49:26,069 --> 01:49:23,440
was just gone

1979
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:26,079
and you never heard of saying never

1980
01:49:33,029 --> 01:49:31,360
heard a thing never never I I talked to

1981
01:49:34,739 --> 01:49:33,039
those I'm not in touch with in in fact

1982
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:34,749
I'm going to look up see if I can find

1983
01:49:41,069 --> 01:49:37,360
anything so us on Facebook I haven't

1984
01:49:44,209 --> 01:49:41,079
talked to him in many many years but we

1985
01:49:47,370 --> 01:49:44,219
you know we went to school after that we

1986
01:49:49,979 --> 01:49:47,380
I'm late so on the way home we were

1987
01:49:53,370 --> 01:49:49,989
talking about it and you know they were

1988
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:53,380
right for Catholic school kids so one of

1989
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:55,570
us Andy is saying you know what and he

1990
01:50:01,770 --> 01:49:57,280
went to you know he's a little bit more

1991
01:50:03,569 --> 01:50:01,780
of a into the the Catholic thing more

1992
01:50:05,339 --> 01:50:03,579
than some of us and he said you know

1993
01:50:07,890 --> 01:50:05,349
this is God punishing us and there's

1994
01:50:10,200 --> 01:50:07,900
something there's a message here and the

1995
01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:10,210
other ones like oh man I'm not even sure

1996
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:13,239
I saw it and then I'm like I don't know

1997
01:50:20,189 --> 01:50:17,050
what it was and you know you know so we

1998
01:50:22,890 --> 01:50:20,199
kind of we talked about it on the way

1999
01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:22,900
home we were kind of scared by it so we

2000
01:50:30,959 --> 01:50:26,920
all live let me say it better to do we

2001
01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:30,969
Greg Greg lived on benefit Street is

2002
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:32,860
happened on Dickens Street by the way in

2003
01:50:37,919 --> 01:50:36,130
Rhode Island Greg lived on benefit

2004
01:50:40,379 --> 01:50:37,929
Street so I guess we dropped him off for

2005
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:40,389
us and then we all live I lived on Coyle

2006
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:43,840
Avenue in Pawtucket we all live Gerry

2007
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:47,170
lived on Cole Street so that an auntie

2008
01:50:53,310 --> 01:50:50,460
lived for that so Andy walked home I

2009
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:53,320
think he was the most

2010
01:50:57,180 --> 01:50:55,570
scared at the time he but he thought it

2011
01:50:59,340 --> 01:50:57,190
he thought it was a message from God so

2012
01:51:01,410 --> 01:50:59,350
yeah so Jeremy and I had gotten home and

2013
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:01,420
I'm not even sure right now if guy was

2014
01:51:05,490 --> 01:51:02,410
whether it's not but there was

2015
01:51:07,620 --> 01:51:05,500
definitely Greg Jerry Andy and myself so

2016
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:07,630
there at least for a guy who was he used

2017
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:08,800
to hang around with the group sometimes

2018
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:13,690
not and so Jerry then I went then and II

2019
01:51:17,310 --> 01:51:14,890
would have kept walking straight and I

2020
01:51:20,430 --> 01:51:17,320
went home and we we talked about it what

2021
01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:20,440
we thought it was in until I talked to

2022
01:51:23,670 --> 01:51:22,240
you Marty I mean I remembered I've

2023
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:23,680
always remember this has always been

2024
01:51:28,530 --> 01:51:26,830
clear I've told this story to friend a

2025
01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:28,540
million times and I'm not you know I'm

2026
01:51:32,460 --> 01:51:30,550
not shy about it cuz I'm not saying that

2027
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:32,470
little green man came down and we

2028
01:51:37,740 --> 01:51:34,410
abducted or any you know we're adopting

2029
01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:37,750
abducted or anything it doesn't bother

2030
01:51:41,730 --> 01:51:39,220
me to talk about it but I talked about

2031
01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:41,740
it a lot of times but you know it I

2032
01:51:47,730 --> 01:51:44,440
didn't realize until I talk to you about

2033
01:51:50,850 --> 01:51:47,740
this maybe a year ago you know is his

2034
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:50,860
kids now we were okay so we were 16 yeah

2035
01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:55,690
we had another only see if we didn't

2036
01:52:03,540 --> 01:51:59,320
close out of school that year we

2037
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:03,550
graduated in this maybe the year after

2038
01:52:10,110 --> 01:52:08,010
and so we were together as a group

2039
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:10,120
friends that hung out for another year

2040
01:52:15,540 --> 01:52:13,780
or so after that and I didn't realize

2041
01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:15,550
until I talked to you you know what the

2042
01:52:22,050 --> 01:52:19,180
strange thing is we never mentioned it

2043
01:52:24,210 --> 01:52:22,060
to each other again that is strange

2044
01:52:25,710 --> 01:52:24,220
hey hey well we only have three minutes

2045
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:25,720
I can't believe it but the time is

2046
01:52:34,830 --> 01:52:30,610
flying but know one of the questions of

2047
01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:34,840
someone on the chat room says oMG that

2048
01:52:37,980 --> 01:52:37,480
person had a very similar sighting to

2049
01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:37,990
yours

2050
01:52:44,610 --> 01:52:41,380
in Massachusetts around the same time

2051
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,620
and it was love the sky soundless but it

2052
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:46,480
blinked out and you hear about that

2053
01:52:54,210 --> 01:52:51,010
blinked out thing really we didn't see

2054
01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:54,220
this blink out but I mean it was when we

2055
01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:56,110
looked up it probably I mean that's a

2056
01:53:00,960 --> 01:52:58,150
good term because we looked up it was

2057
01:53:02,670 --> 01:53:00,970
gone so if we'd stayed looking at it

2058
01:53:06,930 --> 01:53:02,680
what may have happened it might have

2059
01:53:10,050 --> 01:53:06,940
blinked out I mean yeah sure you know it

2060
01:53:12,090 --> 01:53:10,060
very very but that's that's the God's

2061
01:53:14,939 --> 01:53:12,100
honest truth according to the way I

2062
01:53:17,790 --> 01:53:14,949
remember and that happened and we you

2063
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:17,800
know but we never you know and I hear I

2064
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:21,610
didn't know much about this then or much

2065
01:53:26,910 --> 01:53:24,610
about UFOs then but I never thought that

2066
01:53:29,220 --> 01:53:26,920
you know was there any time lost or

2067
01:53:31,620 --> 01:53:29,230
anything like that I don't know we got

2068
01:53:34,290 --> 01:53:31,630
home late who knows if we lost an hour

2069
01:53:36,450 --> 01:53:34,300
or two we get home after a skating party

2070
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:36,460
at ten o'clock we were probably by the

2071
01:53:40,650 --> 01:53:38,650
time we walked home 10:30 left I didn't

2072
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:40,660
check my clock when I went in I don't

2073
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:42,610
know if we lost time or anything or not

2074
01:53:48,420 --> 01:53:45,310
I I don't remember you know I never had

2075
01:53:51,630 --> 01:53:48,430
that sensation but I never realized that

2076
01:53:53,610 --> 01:53:51,640
we never talked about it again it wasn't

2077
01:53:56,130 --> 01:53:53,620
like we were afraid to or didn't it was

2078
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:56,140
almost like I'd forgotten it until I was

2079
01:53:59,220 --> 01:53:56,770
an adult

2080
01:54:01,979 --> 01:53:59,230
we never thought to mention it to each

2081
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:01,989
other or anybody else ever again it

2082
01:54:06,510 --> 01:54:04,900
wasn't till my adult years that I

2083
01:54:08,729 --> 01:54:06,520
remembered it and started talking about

2084
01:54:11,340 --> 01:54:08,739
it when UFOs came up in conversation I'm

2085
01:54:13,110 --> 01:54:11,350
like oh yeah this happened but one more

2086
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:13,120
question and they're going to wrap it up

2087
01:54:17,390 --> 01:54:16,000
here is did have you ever had another

2088
01:54:20,090 --> 01:54:17,400
sighting

2089
01:54:23,010 --> 01:54:20,100
yes but I'm pretty sure I knew it was

2090
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:23,020
real quick my wife and I at the time

2091
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:25,570
were near Fort Devens in mass and we

2092
01:54:32,250 --> 01:54:29,199
were going up 202 or 101 to an auction

2093
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:32,260
and we saw this giant black claw in the

2094
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:34,330
sky and by the time I said what's that

2095
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:36,850
she went and that and they went by like

2096
01:54:40,650 --> 01:54:38,710
in the blink of an eye

2097
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:40,660
so we told people they're like you're

2098
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:42,370
crazy it looks like big giant black

2099
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:45,520
claws three weeks later they started

2100
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:47,410
breaking news stories about the stealth

2101
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,080
bomber these things these would have

2102
01:54:55,110 --> 01:54:52,480
been going in the direction of like Fort

2103
01:54:57,959 --> 01:54:55,120
Devens yeah Devin's was known to test

2104
01:55:01,530 --> 01:54:57,969
things like that so I'm pretty sure that

2105
01:55:04,650 --> 01:55:01,540
those were the stealth bombers when they

2106
01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:04,660
sound less - but now that you know but

2107
01:55:10,890 --> 01:55:07,449
they I think that's but I've never seen

2108
01:55:13,410 --> 01:55:10,900
any other any anything like what I saw

2109
01:55:16,770 --> 01:55:13,420
that night again no no well hey well

2110
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:16,780
well thanks so much yeah I'll continue

2111
01:55:20,130 --> 01:55:18,370
thanks for the opportunity yeah it was

2112
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:20,140
good seeing you yesterday we actually

2113
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:20,690
hung

2114
01:55:24,850 --> 01:55:23,210
yesterday for a little while but anyway

2115
01:55:26,709 --> 01:55:24,860
thanks so much and thanks for telling

2116
01:55:28,450 --> 01:55:26,719
your story I would like to have people

2117
01:55:30,370 --> 01:55:28,460
that have different stories and and this

2118
01:55:32,890 --> 01:55:30,380
is a good one and it's really great that

2119
01:55:34,810 --> 01:55:32,900
it actually rung home to someone that is

2120
01:55:38,530 --> 01:55:34,820
right you know right in the chat room

2121
01:55:39,370 --> 01:55:38,540
yeah I hope they keep closer I in the

2122
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:39,380
chat room

2123
01:55:43,870 --> 01:55:41,199
I do watch it to listen to the shows

2124
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:43,880
just about every show so hey thanks for

2125
01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:45,530
putting out a great podcast Marty we'll

2126
01:55:50,260 --> 01:55:47,270
catch up with you soon all right you bet

2127
01:55:51,970 --> 01:55:50,270
all right you take care so that's it for

2128
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the show I want to thank everyone for

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helping out today

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Alejandro Rojas with the news our guests

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we had three of them and that is starts

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out with Tom Reid then we have Randall

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Nickerson he's actually live streaming

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he wasn't actually an active guest but

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hope you enjoyed that even though the

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sound quality wasn't so good and then my

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good friend Walt Kalinda down in

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Gloucester mass you can hassle him by

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going to his auction down there kpn

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auctions and ask him what he thinks

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about UFOs in front of all his customers

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see what happens anyway thanks again and

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a few more people to thank we have a

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Peggy shunning for managing the Facebook

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page and you can like us on Facebook for

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all the latest UFO news astronomy news

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and all that and lastly I want to thank

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you the listener you are the supporter

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and you were the one that listened this

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far for a dollar a month or more and I

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really do appreciate that and we'll be

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back next week on the dark matter radio

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network you can always listen there for

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free live from a p.m. to 10:00 p.m.

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Eastern Standard Time and you can have

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fun in the chat room the chat room was

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full of lots of intelligent and fun

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people this evening oh yeah and don't

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forget we do have t-shirts on our

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website you can go there podcast UFO

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calm and order a t-shirt and I'll give

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you a discount if you just email me at

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Martin at podcast UFO calm this is it

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for the show and we'll see you here next